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Ok - as I mentioned in another thread - I went to a gunshow with the intention of buying a 45 fullsize USP - however, at each of the 2 vendors that had them the guns were marked up.

So, I passed and came home...

Fast forward to this afternoon. I went shooting with my USPc 9mm and P99 9mm... I asked if they has a 45 USP to rent - sure enough, they did!

So, I rented the USP 45ACP and fired about 35 rounds thru it. I did not like it that much. Now, the sights could have been off, despite being centered on the slide - Because, I finally stopped and sandbagged the gun, and it was still pulling left. But, the grip is rather large, so it could have STILL been me.

Anyway, I feel like I dodged a bullet today at the gun show. I would have been pissed to spend $700 + tax at the show and then be disappointed at the range...

The recoil wasn't bad - but I think the gun was too big for my hands, despite feeling like I could deal with it when just holding the gun.

While renting guns - I decided to rent the M&P 45. I tried a 9mm M&P 5-6 months ago, and didn't care for it. But, I decided to give the 45 a shot.

I was surprised that I shot so well with it. It took a few shots to get used to the trigger and the breaking point - but I shot several holes in the center at 21 feet. Despite that - The M&P, while being nice, isn't a gun that grabs me and says buy me. I don't care for the pivot trigger too much, and after my prev time with the 9mm months back, it just doesn't interest me enough to buy one. I did get a 2nd box of ammo after I finished the 1st (left over from the USP) and put 30-35 rounds thru it total.

Finally, instead of finishing the box - I decided to trry the XD 45. The rentals are only $5, and I figured that this experience was a bargain compared to buying a gun and then not liking it...

Well, I was shocked - I shot super well with the 45 ACP service XD. The shots were touching and going thru the same hole. In terms of recoil, I think the USP had the most, then it was the M&P, and the XD had the least recoil...

I finished the ammo with the XD. And stopped and looked at it in between shots. I've never been an XD fan before. I don't care for the looks of the gun. Never really have. And, while they have fixed some of the prev teething issues of the XD - some of that still sticks in my mind...

Anyway, after I paid and locked my stuff up, I went back into the store and looked at the new 45 XDs. They had the bi tone, all black and the flat earth colored frame. I checked them all out, and I was allowed to dry fire them all. Some had lighter triggers than others - but none were as light as the rental gun - which obviously has a well broekn in trigger.

The price is right at $495 for a 4" model with no night sights... But... I just couldn't "pull the trigger" to buy one. I'm gonna have to get myself "into" owning an XD... Or so I thought as I left the shop... I need time to digest the fact that I shot so well with a gun I never really was interested in....

BUt, with some more time to think about it... IF I get a 45 (I have owned many over the years) - it would just be a range toy. I think I want something I REALLY want... Not something I make myself like, despite shooting it well...

Over the years, I have owned MANY, MANY handguns. I have sold several over the years for various reasons - money to buy something I wanted more, or because I didn't like the gun so much. I've have tried quite a few brands and styles since I bought my first gun in 1993.

So, I've kind of tried a lot of stuff out there... Never thought I would say it... But for now... There really isn't anything out I want. I've either owned or shot pretty much every service gun out there... I own my favs now (I still like my 9mm USPc a lot - much better than the 45 USP). But, I think the time for me lusting after the next gun and the next gun and the next gun can be put on hold for a while... I have satiated my obsession... At least for a little while.

I've also looked at all the rifles out there... And, nothing interests me as much as my PS90... In fact, the only rifle CLOSE to grabbing my attention is the CX4 - but after renting that 2x, there are still a couple of things I don't care too much about...

So, guess i"ll get around to just getting a regular gun safe next, and then just save for the next thing I see that grabs my attention - whenever that is....

Wow... I'm shocked... no guns I want. What's wrong with me....

Finall :evil:
 

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Phelan said:
Out of curiosity what don't you like about the XD?
Well, truthfully - when Springfield first started selling XDs, I looked at them and almost bought a 9mm. But there was SO, SO many reports about rusting - even among the XD fanatics. I found it curious how these guys could still talk up how great these guns were, yet they would then complain about their gun being full of rust.

THere have also been some isolated trigger slap and locking block issues. These issues are not widespread, and are not necessarily what disuades me now.

I guess I just have no interest in the gun. And, I don't even care for the way it looks. I think a Glock looks better than an XD. I guess it was always a gun I just had zero interest in for years now - and am just surprised at how well it shoots.

But I have bought and sold so many guns that I initially loved, but then hated or got bored with. The XD doesn't grab me enough to go buy it. At least not yet.
 

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I want to buy a gun but I don't have the money. Had to buy tires. So.....since I have the will but not the way...and you have the way but not the will.....how 'bout sending the money my way? :D
 

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Well, I think its great that you didn't spend your money and get something you didn't end up wanting. Lord knows I've done that before.

I know you were talking 45's, but as for the XD, I like my XD9 as much as my Glock 17, and P99. To me the XD is a glock with indicators and a grip safety. And my P99 is a Glock that is DA/SA. Of the three I prefer the DA/SA action of the P99, but that's just me.

I haven't spent enough time with the FNP9 yet to include it with the others yet. I'm sure its a good "plastic 9" too, but I need to run a few hundred rounds thru it before I trust it for defense duty.

I think you made the right call not getting the XD just because you shoot it better than the USP. Save your funds for what you really want later.
 

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I waiting on the HK 45 to show up. If Larry Vickers likes it, it may be what I want. Have you looked at the Sig combat in 45?

I have shot the XD, but the barrel height seemed a bit too much for me. I also have seen two of them go down during a course after a day of intense shooting. I think the problem was with the grip safety. Other times I have seen them run fine.
 

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I waiting on the HK 45 to show up. If Larry Vickers likes it, it may be what I want. Have you looked at the Sig combat in 45?
I've never been big on Sigs. None of them feel good in my hand - I even picked up several yesterday. I have shot a 220 once, but it's not my thing...

Who knows, maybe I'll end up with an XD one day. I think I'd need to rent it 1 more time. And, it isn't a gun that is making me want to buy it right NOW.
 

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Ship, I was looking at an XD today, so I was wondering what you don't like about them. The one I was looking at was the compact model where the magazine forms part of the grip. Give me your critique. If I remember you are a fan of the Walther(?) Let me know what you like.
EDIT re read your critique of XD. Any reason to steer away from the early problems or have they been fixed?
 

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Give me your critique. If I remember you are a fan of the Walther(?) Let me know what you like.
EDIT re read your critique of XD. Any reason to steer away from the early problems or have they been fixed?
I originally posted this as a reply to an XD review and the subsequent replies of 'OMG! the XD is sooooo much better than the Glock rofl' I couldn't take it and had to put some things out there.

One thing the XD is superior to the Glock in is handle diameter and that's only for people with short fingers. That's it. Other reasons given to the XD's superiority are subjective to opinion and nothing else.

A few of the given 'reasons' XDs are better:

Price. The Glock is about $80 more than the XD. I don't know many people who think $80 is something to worry about with something that protects your life. I just put $80.00 worth of gas in my truck this morning.

Machining quality/manufacture. At the indoor range I shoot at they have XDs come back for warranty work (sometimes complete replacement due to inability to repair). Cracked frames, ftf, stovepiping, chambers needing to be honed. The list goes on and on.

Durability. Like the aforementioned reason - it's false. Most people have this opinion based on only having a few thousand (if that) rounds through their XDs. At the range they are constantly having problems with their XD rentals (see previous reason problems) while Glocks usually run about 100,000 rounds through them before they cycle a new one into the mix. Those are 100,000 trouble free rounds. Consistently. Wait a few more years when all of these XDs get some real use.

Ergonomics. XD likes to tout this one in their advertising as well saying that when you point it the sights line up rather than having you look at the top of the slide. Glock went with their 105 degree handle angle for a reason: they tested, tested and did some more testing and found that it provided the best firing results for accuracy and following shots. The XD's handle angle along with its high barrel axis to the hand provide much more muzzle flip than a Glock which in turn means less accurate double-taps and a less control.

Single action vs double action. The Glock uses the double action for safety. It's one of the reasons it's called Safe-Action. If the striker spring isn't cocked - it can't fire! Just like a down hammer. The XD has a cocked spring. You can count on replacing the striker spring many more times in an XD than a Glock because of this. You also better hope your firing pin block is in proper working order or you're at the mercy of the poorly designed sear of the XD which, by the way, will fire out of battery. Try pushing back on the slide sometime while pulling the trigger. The double action might not be as smooth, clean or as short a pull of the single action, but these are service pistols not target pistols.

The slide lock. The slide lock on the Glock is designed to be tight against the frame and slide as to not be snagged on anything. They also wanted people to use two hands to release the slide because it's a more controlled manner than hitting the lock with your thumb. This isn't the movies! Release the slide the proper way. The slide lock on the XD also adds a decent amount to the overall width of the weapon - not very carry friendly.

Finish. People, Tenifer is not the outside coating. Tenifer is the metal treatment of the slide and barrel itself. It is .005 mm thick and is close the the hardness of diamond. The treatment of the metal itself achieves a 99.9% salt water resistance. Tenifer is also illegal in this country because the EPA. XD does not have it. Don't regularly oil the slide on your XD and carry it in a cold climate for a while. The in/out condensation will rust your slide in no time.

Warranty. Good thing Sprinfield has you covered here, you're going to need it.

Field stripping. The Glock actually uses a faster process which uses less steps than the XD. Also, many people rotate the take-down lever then pull the slide lock down putting all forward inertia of the slide to come to a halt against the sear (it's the only thing keeping the slide from going forward at that point) and cause damage to the sear, striker and frame.

Loaded chamber indicator. Glock has this as well.

Cocked indicator. Glock has this as well. If the trigger is forward on a Glock, it's cocked. Also, how are you going to get a round into the chamber on either of these guns without it being cocked? It's not a Walther with a decocker.

Grip safety. How is a gun going to go off without your hand on the handle? Your finger should never be inside the trigger guard unless you have the weapon acquired and intend to fire. Are we forgetting some basic firearm rules? The grip safety is null and void.

Customization. If you can't find genuine Glock custom parts for your Glock at your local gun dealer, you need to find a new one. Glock holsters, parts and accessories are everywhere. Try to find a holster for your XD. It's much more difficult. Yes, it's newer and takes a while, but companies will be reluctant to make them because Springfield supplies you with one, albeit a horrible one with not one level of retention.

I felt the need to debunk these XD/Glock myths. The XD is not even close the being up to par with the Glock. The Glock is going on 20 years now and has changed the world of pistols - the XD won't make that sort of impact.
 

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Well, I am obviously no expert on the XD - however, there is one flaw in what U say - The XDs now have melonite on their slides, which is basically just another version of tennifer. So, for that, they are about on par.

I asked my shop about their rentals, and they claim that they have not had any problems with them...

I really like the way the XD handles, and the possibility of buying one is still rattling around in my head after having time to think about it more. But durability issues with the gun does concern me a bit.
 

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I've had my XD9 since July '06 and have yet to experience any problems with it. I only have 1,500 or so rounds through it though.

Glock may have tested the grip angle for years, but that doesn't mean its the best out there. I've shot and handled Glocks many times, and each time it leaves me happy to go back to the XD and its more 1911ish grip angle. I'm sure there's some who prefer the Glock's grip angle so to call it an advantage either way isn't reall so.
 

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I've had my XD9 since january 2006. I use it for USPSA shooting and CCW and have put over 4500 rounds through it without a single malfunction. I have owned Glocks, Sigs and 1911s and this is ranks right up there with the best in my opinion.
 

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Do what I'm going to do for a .45. A nice base model 1911, and just upgrade the parts over time/as you see fit. Have all the parts in the gun just the way -you- want them, you'll probably enjoy it much more that way.
 

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Do what I'm going to do for a .45. A nice base model 1911, and just upgrade the parts over time/as you see fit. Have all the parts in the gun just the way -you- want them, you'll probably enjoy it much more that way.
I've owned several 1911s over the years - 5 I think. I'm just tired of them. I've had some sort of issue with everyone. I've given up on them - especially when I outshoot a 1911 with my P99 (not saying the 1911s are less accurate - just that the P99 works better for me).

I will rent the XD one more time to make a final opinion on it and then decide.
 

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Damn it - I wish someone would get this damn XD outta my head. Now I'm wanting one.... Ugggg :twisted:

Damn it!
Damn it!
Damn it!
Damn it!
Damn it!
 

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Embrace the XD, let its Croatian heritage spill over you!
Had it been a pistol I had lusted after for a while - I would have bought one on the spot Sat...

Oh well.. The trick will be... Will I wait and just use my Christmas present money for a gun safe for Christmas. Or, should I go super impulsize and get an XD with that money (and get the safe by next summer) :p

I think, I will end up renting the XD again and will make up my mind after that. I eventually want a gun safe w/i the next year because of my son. And, my wife won't let me use "house" money for it - I have to use "gun money"
 

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Yea, I've been on there for over 2 years - I joined when I got a Springfield TRP - and there is some 1911 talk there. I still participate there in threads for other guns...
 
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