[Lord Skeletor]

For all of my friends here at the P90 Forums, I threw this together really quick for all of your collective info. Hope it helps!






Info Tables for the 5.7x28mm Ammunition


Muzzle velocity:

|---------------P90-------|----------PS90---------|------FiveseveN----|

SS90 |-----(2800 fps)-----------------------------------------------------|
SS190 |----(2350 fps)-----------(2550 fps)-------------(2100 fps)-----|
SS191 |-----(2350 fps)-----------(2550 fps)-------------(2100 fps)----|
SS192 |----(2300 fps)-----------(2500 fps)-------------(2050 fps)-----|
SS193 |----(1000 fps)-----------(1150 fps)-------------(800 fps)------|
T194 |-----(2300 fps)-----------(2500 fps)-------------(2050 fps)-----|
SS195 |----(2300 fps)-----------(2500 fps)-------------(2050 fps)-----|
SS196 |----(1800 fps)-----------(1950 fps)-------------(1600 fps)-----|
SS197 |----(1950 fps)-----------(2100 fps)-------------(1700 fps)-----|






Projectile weight:

SS90 |------------------23 grains (1.49 grams)------------|
SS190 |-----------------32 grains (2.09 grams)------------|
SS191 |------------------32 grains (2.09 grams)------------|
SS192 |-----------------28 grains (1.81 grams)------------|
SS193 |-----------------55 grains (3.55 grams)------------|
T194 |------------------28 grains (1.81 grams)------------|
SS195 |-----------------28 grains (1.81 grams)------------|
SS196 |-----------------40 grains (2.58 grams)------------|
SS197 |-----------------40 grains (2.58 grams)------------|






Muzzle energy:

|---------------P90-------|----------PS90---------|------FiveseveN----|

SS90 |-----(400 ft. lbs)--------------------------------------------------|
SS190 |----(390 ft. lbs)---------(460 ft. lbs)------------(315 ft. lbs)---|
SS191 |-----(390 ft. lbs)---------(460 ft. lbs)------------(315 ft. lbs)---|
SS192 |----(330 ft. lbs)---------(390 ft. lbs)------------(260 ft. lbs)---|
SS193 |----(120 ft. lbs)---------(160 ft. lbs)------------(80 ft. lbs)----|
T194 |-----(330 ft. lbs)---------(390 ft. lbs)------------(260 ft. lbs)---|
SS195 |----(330 ft. lbs)---------(390 ft. lbs)------------(260 ft. lbs)---|
SS196 |----(290 ft. lbs)---------(340 ft. lbs)------------(230 ft. lbs)---|
SS197 |----(340 ft. lbs)---------(390 ft. lbs)------------(255 ft. lbs)---|






Average penetration depth in 10% ballistic gelatin:

|---------------P90-------|---------PS90---------|-----FiveseveN----|

SS90 |----(10 inches)-------------------------------------------------|
SS190 |---(12 inches)----------------------------------(9 inches)----|
SS191 |----(12 inches)----------------------------------(9 inches)----|
SS192 |---(12 inches)----------------------------------(9 inches)----|
SS193 |----------------------------------------------------------------|
T194 |----(12 inches)----------------------------------(9 inches)----|
SS195 |---(12 inches)----------------------------------(9 inches)----|
SS196 |----------------------------------------------------------------|
SS197 |-------------------------------------------------(10 inches)---|






Projectile type/behavior:

SS90 |----------------FMJ, Tumbles (no deformation)-------------|
SS190 |---------------FMJ, Tumbles (no deformation)-------------|
SS191 |----------------Tracer FMJ, Tumbles (no deformation)-----|
SS192 |---------------JHP, Tumbles (no deformation)-------------|
SS193 |---------------Subsonic FMJBT (Sierra Game King)--------|
T194 |----------------JHP, Tumbles (no deformation)-------------|
SS195 |---------------JHP, Tumbles (no deformation)-------------|
SS196 |---------------V-MAX, Expands with fragmentation--------|
SS197 |---------------V-MAX, Expands with fragmentation--------|





Identification:

SS90 |----------------(Plain, pointed tip)------------------------|
SS190 |---------------(Plain, black, or black-on-white tip)------|
SS191 |----------------(Red or red-on-black tip)------------------|
SS192 |---------------(Plain hollow tip)--------------------------|
SS193 |---------------(White tip)---------------------------------|
T194 |----------------(Green tip)---------------------------------|
SS195 |---------------(Plain hollow tip)--------------------------|
SS196 |---------------(Red-tipped V-MAX)-----------------------|
SS197 |---------------(Blue-tipped V-MAX)----------------------|

 

[metroplex]

We really need to flesh out the penetration data for the PS90....

 

[Lord Skeletor]

We really need to flesh out the penetration data for the PS90....

I was using the SS192 stuff during a Winchester ammo demonstration and it penetrated 8 inches of gelatin. That's it. It didn't expand or anything. The bullet was totally unharmed and could probably be reloaded into fresh brash with no problems whatsoever.

 

[ArmChairCommando]

Damn good post Lord Skeletor! Keep up the good work...

 

[Thermallator]

Super Post!

Do you mind if I use this information on the web site?

Cheers,

-TH

 

[metroplex]

Just FYI, there are a few errors. The five seven forums folks forgot to update the names of a few cartridges. It's now SS191 and SS193. I keep the wiki 5.7 sight fairly updated.

 

[Thermallator]

Just FYI, there are a few errors. The five seven forums folks forgot to update the names of a few cartridges. It's now SS191 and SS193. I keep the wiki 5.7 sight fairly updated.

Roger!

I will update the web page tonight. Thanks for the info.

-TH

 

[metroplex]

TH: Great job on finding that wound ballistics comparison... It's pretty amazing that SS190 is comparable to M193 fired out of a short barreled AR15...

Now the question remains: How does SS195 stack up to M193 when fired out of the PS90?

 

[Lord Skeletor]

Damn good post Lord Skeletor! Keep up the good work...

I exist to serve---my fellow FNH zealots :twisted:
Hehehhe...I'm hoping to finish up some of my "home" ballistics tests in the near future and I'll share my results with you guys.

 

[Lord Skeletor]

Just FYI, there are a few errors. The five seven forums folks forgot to update the names of a few cartridges. It's now SS191 and SS193. I keep the wiki 5.7 sight fairly updated.

Fixed! Thanks---wasn't even paying attention.

 

[metroplex]

The PS90 muzzle velocities are essentially 150 ft/s faster than the P90 muzzle velocities. I am not sure why DmL5 or the Five-seveN folks list SS195 as 2500 ft/s. The American Rifleman averaged the velocities of 10-shots and it was roughly 150 ft/s faster than the spec listed for the P90.

 

[wildeye111]

Thinking this info would be a nice add to that of what Lord Skeletor gave us- will upload pics this wknd.

FN used and continue to use with Fiocchi a powder from Western Powders- label of "RAMSHOT" for all of their factory loads. They use only two of the RAMSHOT line, these are Silhouette and True Blue.

SS190- 6.0 grains- Silhouette(plain tip), 6.5 grains-True Blue(black tipped)
SS191- 6.0 grains- Silhouette(plain tip), 6.5 grains-True Blue(red tipped)
SS192- 6.5 grains- True Blue
SS193- 2.0 grains- Silhouette
SS195- 6.5 grains- True Blue
SS196- 4.0 grains- True Blue
SS197- 5.5 grains- True Blue

And you ask...how and why Western Powders....

FN used/uses a Powder Manufacture called PB Clermont site:
http://www.pb-clermont.be/ which is a subsidery of Eurenco groupe SNPE from Belgium. This parent company also controls EURENCO Bofors- which is Alliant Powder in the USA, EURENCO Vihtavuori- which is Vihta Vuori distrbuted via Kaltron-Pettibone in the USA and EURENCO France- which is PB Clermont. PB Clermont distributes their powder via Western Powders and.......thus RAMSHOT.

 

[wildeye111]

5.7x 28mm aka .223 projectile comparison

From left to right projectiles from the:

SS190, SS191, SS192,SB193,SS195,SS196,SS197

 

[wildeye111]

5.7x28mm powder comparison

FN powder amount/comparison for each respective load-left to right:

SS190,SS191,SS192,SS193,SS195,SS196,SS197

 

[wildeye111]

 

[ShipWreck]

Kewl pics 8)

 

[itstock]

I'm not sure how I missed this thread

It appears as though the SS195 that I already has, is extremely similar (in terms of performance) as compared to SS192. I see no need for me to spend all of the extra coin on 192 now. Thanks for sharing.

 

[wildeye111]

Thanks Ship- by the way you are doing a great job with all of your posts and data- keep it up!!!

Kewl pics 8)

 

[wildeye111]

Your are welcome. Yes, the performance is slightly better in terms of velocity due to the 1/2 grn more. However, if you are looking at keeping any factory FN ammo around for serious storage time..get the 192-since it has the lead primer. I am not 100% on how long but they do last longer than the lead free primers of the 195.

I picked up about 10 boxes of the 192 and seated my own SS91 rounds on them for long term storage.

I'm not sure how I missed this thread

It appears as though the SS195 that I already has, is extremely similar (in terms of performance) as compared to SS192. I see no need for me to spend all of the extra coin on 192 now. Thanks for sharing.

 

[mk23]

So is the Tracer SS191 AP also like the SS190? Basically a tracer version of the 190?