Anyone ever use their gun in self defense?
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I met with a guy trying to kick in my door, and I must tell you the look on his face when he saw me holding an AK with a 75 round drum mag dangling under it, Oh it was priceless 8)
He clearly knew I was home, truck in the driveway lights and tv on, I never saw a weapon but im sure he had one knowing i was there.
Btw, took the cops 10 minutes to get there.. You dont need guns! Just call the police!
The show of force was more than enough to make him run away, and clearly shows you cant count on the police when you need them the most.
He clearly knew I was home, truck in the driveway lights and tv on, I never saw a weapon but im sure he had one knowing i was there.
Btw, took the cops 10 minutes to get there.. You dont need guns! Just call the police!
The show of force was more than enough to make him run away, and clearly shows you cant count on the police when you need them the most.
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This is a great topic. I'm suprised it has never came up. I have not, one of my best friends since 2nd grade had to pull a gun some punks one night. They pulled a knife and tried to rob him at the pumps. He had his carry permit and pulled is gun on them. He said he he wantedt to kill them and almost did. After that he sold his guns and does not carry any more. Always says now he don't want to become a killer over someone else's stupidity. I've never argued about it with him. He is still pro gun and admits that if he didn't have it that night he would have been robbed or worse. But he gave it all up.
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Twice pulled, never fired. First time was a guy on our balcony looking to get in our second story window. I introduced him to the USP and held him for police.
Year later, another tenant in this crappy apartment complex was raping his girlfriend and she was screaming for help. The lightning-fast 40 minute response time to a felony sexual assault in progress required me to do something. The 911 call went something like this...
ME: I can't just sit here and watch while you guys fart around.
911 OPERATOR: Just stay inside, sir. We'll be there as soon as we can.
M: Nope. I'm stopping this.
9: He might have a weapon...
M: I sure as $#!t will. Let the officers know I'm on scene.
40 minutes later, the officer doesn't question me or the 4 other witnesses. Arrests her for scratching her boyfriends face in the fray. The officer didn't even notice I was packing when he arrived.
He no longer works for the department here. A bunch of us got together and called the civilian oversight board here, and the guy's watch commander. The responding officer took no statements, no pictures, didn't bother to contact the complainant (me.) Didn't bother to ask about how I held the guy there. Several procedural oops.
That was the day I decided I would never rely on a policeman for my safety.
Year later, another tenant in this crappy apartment complex was raping his girlfriend and she was screaming for help. The lightning-fast 40 minute response time to a felony sexual assault in progress required me to do something. The 911 call went something like this...
ME: I can't just sit here and watch while you guys fart around.
911 OPERATOR: Just stay inside, sir. We'll be there as soon as we can.
M: Nope. I'm stopping this.
9: He might have a weapon...
M: I sure as $#!t will. Let the officers know I'm on scene.
40 minutes later, the officer doesn't question me or the 4 other witnesses. Arrests her for scratching her boyfriends face in the fray. The officer didn't even notice I was packing when he arrived.
He no longer works for the department here. A bunch of us got together and called the civilian oversight board here, and the guy's watch commander. The responding officer took no statements, no pictures, didn't bother to contact the complainant (me.) Didn't bother to ask about how I held the guy there. Several procedural oops.
That was the day I decided I would never rely on a policeman for my safety.
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In almost 25 years of CC carry I've only pulled twice but never shot. The threat of the firearm was enough deterrent.
First time was the late 80's. Girlfriend and I were in an unairconditioned apartment during AUgust. We decided to go for a walk to cool off at like 11:30 PM. WHen we left I almost didnt take my Hi-Power. SHort story was we were almost mugged but when I pulled the pistol out the mugger started going "Its cool... Its cool... no problem here" and took off running. This mugging attempt occured within visual distance of the local PD headquarters.
The second time was about 2001 at Xmas. I had to go to the mall with my then 9 year old and had to park in the parking garage. I hate malls and I especially hate parking garages- limited sight lines, too much cover for criminals, etc. ANyway I came out of the mall with son in tow and packages under my arms. WHile walking to the van I picked up that I was being shadowed by 3 punks.
WHen we got to the van I opened the side door fast and got the kid inside while unsnapping my holster. Sure enough these punks stepped into view trapping me between the van, the other car, and the cement wall of the garage. One had a knife and they were all grinning as one said "WHat presents do you have for us?" This time I was carrying a Para-Ordnance .45 and those big bores look bad-ass just cleaning them.
I had barely cleared the holster and was bringing it up when one of them said "Holy **** he has a gun" at which point it was like a Looney Tunes skit. The ran into each other trying to get away and scattered like quail. I called the cops on my cell phone and the blazing 15 minute response time- from the police stationed IN the mall- gave me enough time to calm down.
WHile they took my statement the sgt who responded was berating me for pulling a gun! Said I should have just given them my money, I could have been arrested if I shot them, what if I hit bystanders, etc etc. I pointed out to him I spend about 2 hours a week on the range so I probably shot better then him, I had every right to defend myself and my kid, I wasnt worried about ricochets as all my carry guns are loaded with Mag-Safe ammo (which he asked what was that), I am very aware of what is beyond the target (in this case missed rounds would have impacted the opposite wall) and so on.
The final topping to all of this? As they are taking my statement they get a call on their radio that on the floor above us in the garage a family was just mugged by three youths with the father being stabbed (non-life threatening) when he fought back. They took off for that call right quick. The sgt probably berated the father for fighting back.
First time was the late 80's. Girlfriend and I were in an unairconditioned apartment during AUgust. We decided to go for a walk to cool off at like 11:30 PM. WHen we left I almost didnt take my Hi-Power. SHort story was we were almost mugged but when I pulled the pistol out the mugger started going "Its cool... Its cool... no problem here" and took off running. This mugging attempt occured within visual distance of the local PD headquarters.
The second time was about 2001 at Xmas. I had to go to the mall with my then 9 year old and had to park in the parking garage. I hate malls and I especially hate parking garages- limited sight lines, too much cover for criminals, etc. ANyway I came out of the mall with son in tow and packages under my arms. WHile walking to the van I picked up that I was being shadowed by 3 punks.
WHen we got to the van I opened the side door fast and got the kid inside while unsnapping my holster. Sure enough these punks stepped into view trapping me between the van, the other car, and the cement wall of the garage. One had a knife and they were all grinning as one said "WHat presents do you have for us?" This time I was carrying a Para-Ordnance .45 and those big bores look bad-ass just cleaning them.
I had barely cleared the holster and was bringing it up when one of them said "Holy **** he has a gun" at which point it was like a Looney Tunes skit. The ran into each other trying to get away and scattered like quail. I called the cops on my cell phone and the blazing 15 minute response time- from the police stationed IN the mall- gave me enough time to calm down.
WHile they took my statement the sgt who responded was berating me for pulling a gun! Said I should have just given them my money, I could have been arrested if I shot them, what if I hit bystanders, etc etc. I pointed out to him I spend about 2 hours a week on the range so I probably shot better then him, I had every right to defend myself and my kid, I wasnt worried about ricochets as all my carry guns are loaded with Mag-Safe ammo (which he asked what was that), I am very aware of what is beyond the target (in this case missed rounds would have impacted the opposite wall) and so on.
The final topping to all of this? As they are taking my statement they get a call on their radio that on the floor above us in the garage a family was just mugged by three youths with the father being stabbed (non-life threatening) when he fought back. They took off for that call right quick. The sgt probably berated the father for fighting back.
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Cool topic.
Let me see if I can remember everything correctly.
As a private citizen, I had to pull my gun once. It was a Taurus PT1911 Homeland Defense edition with CT grips. Was a sweet gun for the price.
A buddy of mine was selling his Mustang and he decided to meet up a guy he spoke with on the phone (He had an ad running in the local paper) in a commuter parking lot by the highway in his town during mid-day.
He said the guy seemed legit over the phone and he should be ok.
We were there before the guys arrived, a car with NY plates and 3 black guys pulls up and one gets out intorduces himself and starts talking to my buddy while he is showing him the car, etc. I'm just standing by not even thinking anything was wrong.
Then a few minutes later, he asks the guys from his car to look at the engine or something and they get out and one pulls a baseball bat saying something smart, like "We like the car, we'll take it" or something to that fact and was advancing towards my buddy in a threathening way.I was off to the side a few yards away.
I drew down, I 'politely' asked the guy with the bat to look at his chest. He saw the red dot and started babbling about me making a big f'ing mistake, yadda yadda yadda, etc..
I 'politely' told them to get in their car and GTF home.
I was shaking and THANKFULL for not having to go as far as pulling the trigger. I would have fired a warning shot first I am SURE. I know it is not the right thing to do, but I was new to carying back then. Close call, that's for sure. We didn't bother with the cops as they would have only given ME grief for drawing down, I'm sure.
Let me see if I can remember everything correctly.
As a private citizen, I had to pull my gun once. It was a Taurus PT1911 Homeland Defense edition with CT grips. Was a sweet gun for the price.
A buddy of mine was selling his Mustang and he decided to meet up a guy he spoke with on the phone (He had an ad running in the local paper) in a commuter parking lot by the highway in his town during mid-day.
He said the guy seemed legit over the phone and he should be ok.
We were there before the guys arrived, a car with NY plates and 3 black guys pulls up and one gets out intorduces himself and starts talking to my buddy while he is showing him the car, etc. I'm just standing by not even thinking anything was wrong.
Then a few minutes later, he asks the guys from his car to look at the engine or something and they get out and one pulls a baseball bat saying something smart, like "We like the car, we'll take it" or something to that fact and was advancing towards my buddy in a threathening way.I was off to the side a few yards away.
I drew down, I 'politely' asked the guy with the bat to look at his chest. He saw the red dot and started babbling about me making a big f'ing mistake, yadda yadda yadda, etc..
I 'politely' told them to get in their car and GTF home.
I was shaking and THANKFULL for not having to go as far as pulling the trigger. I would have fired a warning shot first I am SURE. I know it is not the right thing to do, but I was new to carying back then. Close call, that's for sure. We didn't bother with the cops as they would have only given ME grief for drawing down, I'm sure.
Too many to give full details:
1. (1973) Car full of Latinos tried to run me off the road.
2. (1984) Sitting in pkg lot 2 blocks from Macon, GA PD waiting on son to come from Health Club, Bro from hood put knife to wife's throat, wanted $$.
3. (1985) Savannah, GA. Coming back to car from arson scene, dude with knife demanded $$. Didn't like my 9mm and hauled ass.
4. (1986) Bubba in Dodge Ram tried to run me off road, mistook me for someone making move on his girlfriend. Police involved in this one.
5. (1992) Going home from work in Savannah, stopped at red light, dude with knife tried to get in passenger seat, ran like hell facing my 9mm.
6. (1998) Augusta, GA. The 'Hood. Blocked at dead end street by 6 bros. One stated, 6 bros, 1 white bread, whatcha gonna do dude. My response.
My 12 friends (11+1) 9mm trump 6 bros. They ran.
7. (2006) Rest area in NC at 3am. White trash followed me from bldg to car, grinned with front teeth missing and carrying knife. My pocket rocket .32 Seecamp took grin off his face.
I did not have to fire my pistol in any of there situations, just the sight sent the BG's packing.
1. (1973) Car full of Latinos tried to run me off the road.
2. (1984) Sitting in pkg lot 2 blocks from Macon, GA PD waiting on son to come from Health Club, Bro from hood put knife to wife's throat, wanted $$.
3. (1985) Savannah, GA. Coming back to car from arson scene, dude with knife demanded $$. Didn't like my 9mm and hauled ass.
4. (1986) Bubba in Dodge Ram tried to run me off road, mistook me for someone making move on his girlfriend. Police involved in this one.
5. (1992) Going home from work in Savannah, stopped at red light, dude with knife tried to get in passenger seat, ran like hell facing my 9mm.
6. (1998) Augusta, GA. The 'Hood. Blocked at dead end street by 6 bros. One stated, 6 bros, 1 white bread, whatcha gonna do dude. My response.
My 12 friends (11+1) 9mm trump 6 bros. They ran.
7. (2006) Rest area in NC at 3am. White trash followed me from bldg to car, grinned with front teeth missing and carrying knife. My pocket rocket .32 Seecamp took grin off his face.
I did not have to fire my pistol in any of there situations, just the sight sent the BG's packing.
Have not had to draw as yet. But last summer I was out fishing with a friend at his grandmother's farm (along with his GF, 2 yro son, 4yro and 11yro cousins). We'd been out for an hour to two when 2 guys about mid to late teens came out from behind a clump of trees rather suspiciously. The two of us reach for our pistols and the guys stammer some story about wanting to know if they could fish and quickly left in a different direction from which they came when told no.
Wouldn't have thought much of it, except for that the pond we were at was a good 20+ minute hike from the property line with at least 2 barb wire fences between the pond and the direction they approached from. And coming up from behind the trees rather than the wide clearing to the left of it.
Wouldn't have thought much of it, except for that the pond we were at was a good 20+ minute hike from the property line with at least 2 barb wire fences between the pond and the direction they approached from. And coming up from behind the trees rather than the wide clearing to the left of it.
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Well, didn't have to use for self defense...but I guess this is close enough.....
Back in College...when I turned 19....I purchased a Colt .380 Mark IV. It is slightly larger than your hand based on the 1911 design. It was a good purchase. I will post pics here in a bit. I obtained the proper concealed carry permit. Even in those days you had to wait 3 days before taking possession...and in case you don't know getting a concealed carry permit is no automatic task either.
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Ever have to fire an employee? I wouldn't recommend you seek out the experience, but sometimes you have to do what is best for the business.
About 2 years ago I hired this employee that was just coming off of a job after finishing a re-education. She was a stay at home Mom and had completed an associates degree. To make a long story short she did a good job...but during her probationary period she felt "entitled" to all the benefits the long-term employees had. She was the most disruptive employee I ever had. It didn't take long for her to throw a tantrum and get fired. It just didn't work out, and it was obvious to us why she didn't make it at the job she had after graduation. She cleaned out her desk and I escorted her from the building at 4 PM.
It was 4:30 and closing time...."click"....I had just locked the bolt on the front door for the weekend.
Her husband shows up and slams the driver side door just as I back away from the "closed" sign....puts out his cig on the office front door and starts kicking the plate glass. His intention was to enter the building...and he wasn't interested in becoming a customer or talking things out either.
Immediately we called the police.
After spending some time screaming threats and obscenities at the top of his lungs he circles around the block at a high rate of speed for the next 30 minutes....driving past a day care center each time as the kids were "going home". We are lucky he didn't hit a child as he blazed past the pick-up area circling, honking, and screaming.
The police were 30 MINUTES away when seconds could have counted mind you. That is not their fault, that is just the way it is.
By the time the police arrive and talk to us at the office the guy is gone. The police had a lengthy talk with him and no charges were filed. In retrospect this was probably foolish as nothing appears on his record from the incident.
Needless to say I carried the .380 every day for a month till they left town. Apparently they caused other trouble in the area and felt it best to start in a fresh unsuspecting community. I was glad to see them leave. Unfortunately someone else out there probably has the problem now. I suppose if I HAD filed charges he would have been on parole and unable to leave the community until parole was satisfied...so perhaps it was not so dumb to just drop it.
I was fortunate....after the police had a long talk with him he decided it best to ignore us and he didn't cause any more trouble.
Two things though....the guy was ALREADY clearly unstable and looking for vengeance.
If he decided to take a more direct action at that time....or later on when the next "thing" set him off a week later:
1. The police were not there.
2. I had an option in my .380 to protect myself.
I often wonder if he had arrived 10 seconds earlier before the front door was locked...what would have happened?
Let's just say I was glad I purchased my .380 so many years ago, and ALREADY had a concealed carry permit. I was prepared for the worst that never happened.
Whew!
I didn't have to show the pistol...just having it there gave me some options and a "calming" effect.
...so that is the story behind the FIRST pistol in my collection. A great purchase.
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Back in College...when I turned 19....I purchased a Colt .380 Mark IV. It is slightly larger than your hand based on the 1911 design. It was a good purchase. I will post pics here in a bit. I obtained the proper concealed carry permit. Even in those days you had to wait 3 days before taking possession...and in case you don't know getting a concealed carry permit is no automatic task either.
Ever have to fire an employee? I wouldn't recommend you seek out the experience, but sometimes you have to do what is best for the business.
About 2 years ago I hired this employee that was just coming off of a job after finishing a re-education. She was a stay at home Mom and had completed an associates degree. To make a long story short she did a good job...but during her probationary period she felt "entitled" to all the benefits the long-term employees had. She was the most disruptive employee I ever had. It didn't take long for her to throw a tantrum and get fired. It just didn't work out, and it was obvious to us why she didn't make it at the job she had after graduation. She cleaned out her desk and I escorted her from the building at 4 PM.
It was 4:30 and closing time...."click"....I had just locked the bolt on the front door for the weekend.
Her husband shows up and slams the driver side door just as I back away from the "closed" sign....puts out his cig on the office front door and starts kicking the plate glass. His intention was to enter the building...and he wasn't interested in becoming a customer or talking things out either.
Immediately we called the police.
After spending some time screaming threats and obscenities at the top of his lungs he circles around the block at a high rate of speed for the next 30 minutes....driving past a day care center each time as the kids were "going home". We are lucky he didn't hit a child as he blazed past the pick-up area circling, honking, and screaming.
The police were 30 MINUTES away when seconds could have counted mind you. That is not their fault, that is just the way it is.
By the time the police arrive and talk to us at the office the guy is gone. The police had a lengthy talk with him and no charges were filed. In retrospect this was probably foolish as nothing appears on his record from the incident.
Needless to say I carried the .380 every day for a month till they left town. Apparently they caused other trouble in the area and felt it best to start in a fresh unsuspecting community. I was glad to see them leave. Unfortunately someone else out there probably has the problem now. I suppose if I HAD filed charges he would have been on parole and unable to leave the community until parole was satisfied...so perhaps it was not so dumb to just drop it.
I was fortunate....after the police had a long talk with him he decided it best to ignore us and he didn't cause any more trouble.
Two things though....the guy was ALREADY clearly unstable and looking for vengeance.
If he decided to take a more direct action at that time....or later on when the next "thing" set him off a week later:
1. The police were not there.
2. I had an option in my .380 to protect myself.
I often wonder if he had arrived 10 seconds earlier before the front door was locked...what would have happened?
Let's just say I was glad I purchased my .380 so many years ago, and ALREADY had a concealed carry permit. I was prepared for the worst that never happened.
Whew!
I didn't have to show the pistol...just having it there gave me some options and a "calming" effect.
...so that is the story behind the FIRST pistol in my collection. A great purchase.
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