[Jedi Knife]

Before going to the range I picked up the cheapest box of Russian steel cased ammo (Monarch) from the local sporting goods store just to see how they would function. I also carried some bulk Blazer brass 115 gr. I shot at 150 or more of the Blazer with no problems. I did however find 5 duds in the Russian steel cased. Looking at the primers it seemed like they had the dimples where they had been struck soundly with the striker but I have absolutely no prior experience with this or any other Russian and/or steel cased ammo so I don’t know what to expect performance wise. Everything cycled reliably if it went bang, so that’s always encouraging. Just thought I’d put this out there FYI.

 

[Troublesx10]

Thanks for the update.

 

[Dirty old ginge]

Nice. Some Russian primers are hard. Try to run them through another time and they should ignite.


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[Jedi Knife]

Thanks for the update.

Have you heard of anyone having trouble like this with the normal 509 strikers and Russian ammo?

 

[vz58kid]

No never, might a issue with striker!

 

[Mjolnir01]

Russian ammo is known to give many Western firearms issues with hard primers and extraction concerns as well as gumming up some actions due to the lacquer they used to slather on the steel case to prevent corrosion.


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[Dirty old ginge]

Russian ammo is known to give many Western firearms issues with hard primers and extraction concerns as well as gumming up some actions due to the lacquer they used to slather on the steel case to prevent corrosion.


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Yup.



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[Dirty old ginge]

Its not the strikers, or the gun, just cheap, run of the mill Russian ammo. Typical for these issues. If you’re going to shoot Russian ammo, avoid the lacquer casings, and go with the polymer coated rounds. You’ll still gum up your action and have hard primers to deal with.

Comes with the territory with Russian ammo.


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[Shadetree]

Don’t believe anything negative that anyone posts about cheap steel case Russky ammo. After-all, just because it’s almost as cheap as .22 cal and steel, what could go wrong? I recommend you buy it in 1k quantities for an even more cost effective way to reduce the per round cost.
Why is it so much cheaper, why don’t more manufactures produce it and why don’t more people use it? The real question after that is, how many hundred or thousand rounds of this junk will it take before FN gets bashed because your firearm is gunked up and the barrel needs to be replaced! But then again, maybe you’ll be the exception and have good results.

 

[Jedi Knife]

Don’t believe anything negative that anyone posts about cheap steel case Russky ammo. After-all, just because it’s almost as cheap as .22 cal and steel, what could go wrong? I recommend you buy it in 1k quantities for an even more cost effective way to reduce the per round cost.
Why is it so much cheaper, why don’t more manufactures produce it and why don’t more people use it? The real question after that is, how many hundred or thousand rounds of this junk will it take before FN gets bashed because your firearm is gunked up and the barrel needs to be replaced! But then again, maybe you’ll be the exception and have good results.

LOL just bought a single box for function checking. I intentionally got the cheapest stuff so could find. Still curious if FN509 owners with factory strikers have a 5/50 dud rate that I experienced with my Apex Heavy Duty. The other bulk ammo I bought functioned flawlessly.

 

[Dirty old ginge]

Don’t believe anything negative that anyone posts about cheap steel case Russky ammo. After-all, just because it’s almost as cheap as .22 cal and steel, what could go wrong? I recommend you buy it in 1k quantities for an even more cost effective way to reduce the per round cost.
Why is it so much cheaper, why don’t more manufactures produce it and why don’t more people use it? The real question after that is, how many hundred or thousand rounds of this junk will it take before FN gets bashed because your firearm is gunked up and the barrel needs to be replaced! But then again, maybe you’ll be the exception and have good results.

He’s already experienced one of the downsides to garbage ammo. Lol.


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[Shadetree]

Jedi, good to see you’re good natured with sense of humor. Fact is, all of what I know about the technical side of Russian ammo isn’t sufficient to speak intelligently on it for longer than it takes for me to mispronounce the name on the box.

 

[Jedi Knife]

Thanks Shadetree I do get where you’re coming from and I am glad my 509 fed this stuff reliably. I’m really wanting this to be my “if you could have only one” type of gun hence all the concerns and such. Adding the Apex striker seems like a worthy upgrade so just thought I’d give it a wide range of ammo to see how it runs. Appreciate all the input!

 

[Canyon Man]

In spite of how it may sound someitmes, I take very good care of my firearms. I do believe in learning where their limits are though. I always check to see if my guns will run steel cased ammo, and how they react to water and adverse conditions. Nothing more than what might be encountered by the average active duty soldier. For myself, I'd rather find these things out in a controlled environment. I see nothing wrong with it. Clean it appropriately when you're done, and continue to maintain your weapon so it serves you well. I look forward to what I believe will be a long and healthy track record with the Apex striker in my pistols.

 

[Flork]

Hey guys,


I've used lots of steel case ammo in the past and always had issues with it. Steel case ammo that's lacquered like that is made for use in SMGs like the Uzi and Tec-9 where they have crazy cyclic rates, loose chambers and way over powered springs.

Way back in the day I used Russian steel case cheapy ammo to test products, but I found I was chasing my tail on reliability because the ammo was too unreliable.

At this point, the cheapest ammo we use for testing is Blazer Aluminum. In the case of the 509 Strikers, we shot 8000 rounds across 2 strikers each totaling 16K rounds. Each was shot with 2k Blazer Al, 3K Winchester Nato and 3K Speer Lawman(Equivalent to NATO spec).

Scott @ Apex

 

[Mjolnir01]

Thanks Shadetree I do get where you’re coming from and I am glad my 509 fed this stuff reliably. I’m really wanting this to be my “if you could have only one” type of gun hence all the concerns and such. Adding the Apex striker seems like a worthy upgrade so just thought I’d give it a wide range of ammo to see how it runs. Appreciate all the input!

Then order the Apex Extractor as well.


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