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A Mississippi shooting Friday night illustrates perfectly not only the ineffectiveness of “gun-free” zones, but also the fact that the posting on “no firearms allowed” signs can put a storeowner in legal jeopardy.

A man was shot outside a Jackson, Miss., convenience store where the proprietor had posted a “no firearms allowed” sign.


The unidentified victim was shot in the leg during an altercation in which multiple shots were fired. He was later taken to the hospital in an ambulance where he was treated, according to MSNewsNow.
David Butts, a Tupelo, Miss. attorney, noted the incident on the Firearm Freedom Day Facebook page and added his own personal observations:


A report of a shooting outside a convenience store in Jackson today, which had a “no firearms” sign posted at the entrance, brings to mind one obvious observation and one not so obvious question. First, it is obvious that criminals have no regard whatsoever for “no firearms” signs and that, in fact, the presence of such a sign may even encourage a criminal to enter a business to commit a criminal act (robbery, etc.) since, presumably, no one (except possibly the business owner) would have a firearm.


The not-so-obvious question is “what is the responsibility of the business owner to protect his/her customers if they post a ‘no firearms’ sign at their place of business?” It is already the law in MS that a business owner must exercise “reasonable care” to protect a customer from injury. One sees this a lot in “slip and fall” cases (wet floors, owner has duty to warn of danger).


But what about the situation where a customer, legally armed, either openly or with a concealed carry permit, disarms themselves to do business in the “no firearms” business and is injured or killed by some gun-wielding thug intent on committing a crime? What does the owner’s duty of “reasonable care” to protect the customer mean in those circumstances?


There have already been several cases in MS where business owners have been held responsible for injuries to their patrons or residents where they failed to provided adequate security (for robbery, rape, assault, etc.). In the case in Jackson, the shooting occurred outside the place of business, but what if it had happened inside? And what if the person who was shot had disarmed themselves because of the sign in order to go in and do business? It may be just a matter of time before just such a case happens. Just my guess, but at a minimum business owners who post such “no firearms” signs may be put to the expense of metal detectors and/or armed guards inside their places of business. More cost which is usually passed on to the customer.

Read more: Business with ?gun-free zone? signs may be tagged with legal liability - BizPac Review
 

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I will never will patronize a place with a "gun-free zone" sticker. The idiocy of the concept hurts my brain.
 

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Starz - good advice, but be careful to make sure you have the correct understanding of the law. Although you won't hear it from most sources (including many LEOs), where we live it is not even a misdemeanor to carry in an 'unauthorized' location. The fine point of the law is that ultimately, all LE or anyone else can do is ask you to leave the premises. Only if you refuse to leave does it become a legal issue.
 

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If anyone of you works for a company that has a no firearms/knife policy I recommend the following highly. Write a letter to your supervisor or HR department stating that you are legally allowed to conceal carry. State that you feel uncomfortable since everyone is disarmed and that they do not provide security while you are on the property. Yeah they are going to say no you can't carry a gun. Make sure that letter is put in your personal record and get a copy of there response to put in your safe. If something happens to you while on there property.......well....you get the point.
 

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This may not be popular sentiment here, but I defend the right of any private property owner to choose the way they run their business. There are plenty of options out there for those that disagree with an owners policy. Support those businesses that aren't anti 2A. Besides what better way to concentrate a group of liberals.
 

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This may not be popular sentiment here, but I defend the right of any private property owner to choose the way they run their business. There are plenty of options out there for those that disagree with an owners policy. Support those businesses that aren't anti 2A. Besides what better way to concentrate a group of liberals.
Suing the store follows the same, (flawed) logic used to sue gun makers for crimes committed with their products. The shooting was the criminal's fault, not the business owner. The business owner did restrict the victims ability to defend, however the victim entered the business. By entering and viewing the gun policy sign he gave tacit acceptance to the restriction. As 17heavy suggests, vote with your wallet and use another business.
 

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Suing the store follows the same, (flawed) logic used to sue gun makers for crimes committed with their products. The shooting was the criminal's fault, not the business owner. The business owner did restrict the victims ability to defend, however the victim entered the business. By entering and viewing the gun policy sign he gave tacit acceptance to the restriction. As 17heavy suggests, vote with your wallet and use another business.
Just as the reverse would be true that if a business allows firearms and some knucklehead pulls his out and shoots someone else in the business because of an argument, it is not the owners fault.
 

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Just as the reverse would be true that if a business allows firearms and some knucklehead pulls his out and shoots someone else in the business because of an argument, it is not the owners fault.
Exactly.
 

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Starz - good advice, but be careful to make sure you have the correct understanding of the law. Although you won't hear it from most sources (including many LEOs), where we live it is not even a misdemeanor to carry in an 'unauthorized' location. The fine point of the law is that ultimately, all LE or anyone else can do is ask you to leave the premises. Only if you refuse to leave does it become a legal issue.
Good advice. Until Ohio changed their law it was a misdemeanor. One needs to understand completely. Now they have to ask you to leave and if you do not they can file a trespass on you but that is it. I still do not patronize on principle as well as the fact that I am more likely to be in a bad situation in a Criminal Protection Zone as we call them
 

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Just as the reverse would be true that if a business allows firearms and some knucklehead pulls his out and shoots someone else in the business because of an argument, it is not the owners fault.
This is completely correct. HOWEVER, this reason is why many businesses post no gun signs. They do not understand that they are not responsible if this did happen......

Just another reason why the lawyers and greedy lawsuits cause so much trouble...
 
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