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I currently have an authentic (not MSAR) Steyr AUG A3. It's great. I only fired about 200 rounds through it, but have not had a problem yet. Steyr told the Australians that you can run a truck over it and it will still work.

But, I am not quite a fan of the vertical grip on the AUG, yes you can fold it down, but that is only for putting it on a rest. It is not practical to hold it like that. Also, it has a 1/9 twist barrel. I did order a 1/7 CHF twist FN made barrel for it, because I believe 75 grain bullets are the future of 5.56, but it's $530 for the barrel. $530 on top of a $2200 rifle, ouch. Main thing that gets me about the AUG is the vertical grip, I'd rather have a traditional grip like the FS2000. Plus that flashlight mod looks pretty cool. And I believe that you can also mod the front grip (or any other part of the clamshell) to cleanly have a set of Vltor Modpods (ModPod (Modular Side Mounted Bipod) - Vltor Weapons Systems). Can't really have a bipod on the AUG at all, even with modding. Also, how is the stock iron sights? Has anyone tried to make the rear sight hole larger for more practicality?

I see green FS2000s, but the front grip is black. Do they also come in green?

The AUG is battle proven, how's the FS2000? I know that they were used in the Libyan conflict. I've seen photos of a American 'war tourist' in Libya with a captured F2000 with a suppressor attached. I thought I read that the muzzle breaks were pinned on. How well do they suppress? Are there suppressor/flash hider attachments you can get for them?

I know there is some bias, but would you rather have an AUG or a FS2000? I'm considering it. The AUG is great, but I'm just looking for something a bit different.

Another different thing is that there is basically little to no forum support for the AUG. Even on the official sites there is not many people.

Can you still buy these rifles new?

Oh, and bonus points for anyone who knows the connection between my username and the FS2000.
 

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Reading you post, sounds like you'd rather have the FS2000.

The hand grip only comes black. Many different contries use the 2000.

The 2000 IS different, well balanced BTW.

They can be found new, bit of a shortage right now.

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“Also, it has a 1/9 twist barrel. I did order a 1/7 CHF twist FN made barrel for it, because I believe 75 grain bullets are the future of 5.56, but it's $530 for the barrel. $530 on top of a $2200 rifle, ouch.”

77gr are most likely to become the future of the 5.56 round but at around $1 a shot it adds up pretty quick. You can shoot .308 for that price. I kind of wish the FS had 1/9 twist because I primarily shoot 55gr anyways but the FS still groups 55 pretty good in a 1/7 so no biggie there. $0.30 a shot vs. $1 a shot means that I can shoot 3 times the amount and be spending essentially the same.

“Also, how is the stock iron sights?”

They are just okay IMO. I’m able to shoot a pretty tight group at 25 yards when everything is well lit. In darker indoor ranges it can be tough. I had an AP Micro that was recommended to me by chubby fingers and I hated it ($700 mistake). I was having trouble picking up the dot when I was shooting with my off hand. I’m sure I would have gotten better but I don’t shoot a whole lot so it was like starting over ever time I went to the range. I’ve since switched to a Trijicon SRS and it made the dot acquisition so much faster no matter which shoulder I was shooting from. The larger aperture (I think that’s the word) made it better choice.

“Has anyone tried to make the rear sight hole larger for more practicality?”

? There is nothing wrong with the backup sights.

“I see green FS2000s, but the front grip is black. Do they also come in green?”

You can just rattlecan it. Replacement foreends can be had for around $20 IIRC

“The AUG is battle proven, how's the FS2000? I know that they were used in the Libyan conflict. I've seen photos of a American 'war tourist' in Libya with a captured
F2000 with a suppressor attached.”

It’s made by FNH. What more do you need to know? Are you planning on visiting a 2 way range?

“I thought I read that the muzzle breaks were pinned on.”

Yes. If you drill out the side to remove the pin they come off. You will destroy the stock FH this way though.

“How well do they suppress?”

They suppress to hearing safe levels with a good can. (That’s what I’ve read. I do not own a suppressor).

“Are there suppressor/flash hider attachments you can get for them?”

As long as the threads on the accessory line up with the barrel threads you are good. Threads are 9/16x24 LH.

“I know there is some bias, but would you rather have an AUG or a FS2000? I'm considering it. The AUG is great, but I'm just looking for something a bit different.”

Why not have both? I prefer the FS because of the better barrel, better ejection, more mag options, says FNH on the side, and it feels like a better rifle.

“Another different thing is that there is basically little to no forum support for the AUG. Even on the official sites there is not many people.”

? There are quite a few forums with bullpup subforums that have quite a bit of information. There also seems to be more aftermarket support too. I guess that means that the FS doesn’t require much tweaking or part’s to make it work how you want it to work.

“Can you still buy these rifles new?”

Yes. You might pay a little more. Just buy a used one and take the money you save to buy ammo or accessories. I recommend [email protected] for any parts you might need. Good prices and good service.
 

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Biggest FS2000 plus for me over any other bullpup rifle is forward case ejection. This makes the rifle truly ambidextrous right from the jump without any need to switch any parts around or obtain different parts. All you have to do is switch shoulders. You can use any manner of cover or concealment from either side without worry of cases bouncing back into your face, and transition with no effort from one side to the other as circumstances require. How many other semiauto rifles of any kind offer such flexibility in such a high quality package?
 

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Keep the AUG. :?
 
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i think the main trump card the aug has over the FS2000...quick change barrels. so with that in mind, how fast can you switch to 300 blackout?
 

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Of course I have more than 1 gun. And the AUG is cool, but not cool enough to justify not having a few extra thousand dollars for other stuff.

I tired to rent one out at a local range. The range clerks said that they dont allow rentals unless you bring your own gun or another person, to "prevent suicides". :neutral:

But I did handle one at the purchasing counter area. It felt lighter than my AUG, but it just might be better balanced.
 

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Cant keep both, not made of money.
The FS2000 is a great gun but your limited on what mags you can use, my Nato worked with all mags. The FS2K is a bit bulky vs the slinder A3. The main issue I had with the FS was the plastic switch , inclosed chamber made me nervous and I hated the mag release. The FS2k is a great weapon but I would take the AUGover the FS or Tavor. Haha best option get both! :?





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Biggest FS2000 plus for me over any other bullpup rifle is forward case ejection. This makes the rifle truly ambidextrous right from the jump without any need to switch any parts around or obtain different parts. All you have to do is switch shoulders. You can use any manner of cover or concealment from either side without worry of cases bouncing back into your face, and transition with no effort from one side to the other as circumstances require. How many other semiauto rifles of any kind offer such flexibility in such a high quality package?
As LazarusLong said, that is what I like best. I ran my FS2000 and an AUG in a training class last fall and while the AUG has some nice features the ability to switch shoulders without making any adjustment to account for flying brass is a super big plus. As a reloader, having my brass just fall in a pile is really nice. As long as you have any steel or aluminum NATO mags you are good to go for the FS. I may get an AUG someday, since it is a really nice rifle but to me the total ambi ability of the FS makes it my go to rifle.
 

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Full Assault, want a 1/7 barrel for your AUG?
He sold the AUG I think. Because he goes through guns like I do socks :-D !!! I'll bet he knows his way around hundreds of platforms though.
 
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I knew I always wanted a bullpup rifle to replace the shotgun for under-the-bed/midnight pest control due to the shorter length and resulting increased maneuveablity indoors, plus the lower felt recoil and faster follow-up shots. After reviewing and handling both, I thought about the pro's and con's for each rifle:

Aug pro's:
1) Interchangeable barrels give you the capability to go from CQC rifle to a DMR rifle. For me, personally, if I want a DMR or Recce, I'll buy a different rifle. Not an issue.
2) Slimmer Profile. But not enough to noticably affect handling.
3) Balances a little bit closer to the rear than the FS (for me, anyway, and that's only after about a box of ammo through one). But again, only barely noticable side-by side. That may or may not be the case after optics, lights, lasers, and a microwave oven get mounted on the front end.
4) Nato version takes just about any magazine. Austrian pattern takes readily available 42 rounders. I'm not invested in hundreds of P-mags. Stanag mags are just fine with me.
5) Reliable service history of about two or three decades. Well, FN's been making military firearms for a long time, too. My research has indicated that the root of the vast majority (if not all) of the FS reliablity complaints are due to the operators trying to run the FS like an AR or HK. I have yet to hear any complaints from folks that run them in accordance with the factory's manual of arms.

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Forward ejection plus control layout makes it 100 percent ambidextrous, making transitions from shoulder to shoulder much easier. As a tool to be (hopefully never) used to protect the life of me and my family, this is of utmost importance to me, especially since I'm a long-gun lefty. Sure, I can buy a LH bolt kit for an AUG, and train to modify my RH cheek weld so I don't get brass in my ear. Why? I would rather spend the money and time training for marksmanship and indoor CQC.

In all fairness, take the above with a grain of salt, since I'm a noobie. FYI, I picked up my FS2000 (OD Green) about an hour ago. Can't wait to take her to the range this weekend, and find a good carbine course in the Austin area.
 

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Wabbi69-good thoughts, thanks for sharing, congrats on your new FS2000 OD Green and welcome to the forum!!!!

I knew I always wanted a bullpup rifle to replace the shotgun for under-the-bed/midnight pest control due to the shorter length and resulting increased maneuveablity indoors, plus the lower felt recoil and faster follow-up shots. After reviewing and handling both, I thought about the pro's and con's for each rifle:

Aug pro's:
1) Interchangeable barrels give you the capability to go from CQC rifle to a DMR rifle. For me, personally, if I want a DMR or Recce, I'll buy a different rifle. Not an issue.
2) Slimmer Profile. But not enough to noticably affect handling.
3) Balances a little bit closer to the rear than the FS (for me, anyway, and that's only after about a box of ammo through one). But again, only barely noticable side-by side. That may or may not be the case after optics, lights, lasers, and a microwave oven get mounted on the front end.
4) Nato version takes just about any magazine. Austrian pattern takes readily available 42 rounders. I'm not invested in hundreds of P-mags. Stanag mags are just fine with me.
5) Reliable service history of about two or three decades. Well, FN's been making military firearms for a long time, too. My research has indicated that the root of the vast majority (if not all) of the FS reliablity complaints are due to the operators trying to run the FS like an AR or HK. I have yet to hear any complaints from folks that run them in accordance with the factory's manual of arms.

FN FS2000 Pro's
Forward ejection plus control layout makes it 100 percent ambidextrous, making transitions from shoulder to shoulder much easier. As a tool to be (hopefully never) used to protect the life of me and my family, this is of utmost importance to me, especially since I'm a long-gun lefty. Sure, I can buy a LH bolt kit for an AUG, and train to modify my RH cheek weld so I don't get brass in my ear. Why? I would rather spend the money and time training for marksmanship and indoor CQC.

In all fairness, take the above with a grain of salt, since I'm a noobie. FYI, I picked up my FS2000 (OD Green) about an hour ago. Can't wait to take her to the range this weekend, and find a good carbine course in the Austin area.
 

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I used to have a NATO stock for my AUG. One thing I noticed about it was that magazine eject button was quite stiff since the button has to transfer energy 90 degrees for the mag catch, while the Steyr pattern mags release like butter because of the way the mag catch is orientated in-line with the mag release button.
 

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One more thing: If a VFG is a must have for your rifle, the AUG comes with one installed with no added cost in money, weight, or balance. For me, this did not outweigh the full ambi consideration. I've got a gently used tri-rail on the way, but I'll have to do some dry work with and without to see if it aids transitions from shoulder to shoulder enough to justify the extra weight. I'll try to keep an open mind.
 
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