I shoot a rifle left handed so the FS is the way to go for me.
FN2000 vs Tavor
Talking to my gun guy today, we were discussing the 2K, and he recommended that I sell mine and get a Tavor. For the record, he is a PS90 fan and owner, and has built some sweet lookers.
Just curious, and looking for some input. I can't afford to buy the Tavor without selling my 2K, which I know will sell quickly if I so choose...but I was hoping for some first hand input.
Let me add that I love my 2K, but I'm always looking at my options.
Just curious, and looking for some input. I can't afford to buy the Tavor without selling my 2K, which I know will sell quickly if I so choose...but I was hoping for some first hand input.
Let me add that I love my 2K, but I'm always looking at my options.
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Understood...I'm a rightyI shoot a rifle left handed so the FS is the way to go for me.
I like the fact that you have the option to shoot two different calibers 5.56 and 9mm with the TAVOR :smile:
I was originally smitten with the fs2000 until I held one. Before buying the Tavor I made sure to get my hands on one and play with it. I am very happy with my decision and can't wait for the weather to warm a little so I can have some more fun with it. I would actually like a second one in 9mm. If you are a lefty order it left handed or buy a conversion kit for it. The Tavor was also about $350.00 less new than a used FS2000.
Ive got a 9mm Tavor and Im working through my second K of ammo.... in a month. I friggin love the thing.
Its good to see another solid BullPup on the market, the Tavor seems to be a fine entry. I do find it slightly fan-boyish that many of the same crowd who scoffed at the AUG for almost 50 years, is the same crowd that bows down to the Tavor as the end-all/be-all BullPup. Lets face it, the IMI nametag is what sold this gun to the mainstream AR culture.
The Steyr Aug was designed in the 1960's, yes, right along-side the absolute and utter Garbage (but domestically-produced) Armalite AR-15 in generation-1 flavor. The AUG was 100x the gun the AR-15 ever was or ever will-be, but because Bullpups looked like some sort of 'Buck Rogers' guns to most Americans, the long-stroke gas piston AUG which happens to be produced a stone's throw from the Glock factory in Austria was conveniently overlooked by the US military-industrial complex. Fast-forward five decades and we've now come up with 10,000+ ways to "fix" the AR-15 to make it actually cycle like its supposed to, handle like its supposed to, and shoot like its supposed to. Meanwhile the AUG is pretty much still a factory gun with almost zero aftermarket support (because it doesn't need it) with a few cosmetic iterations.
So I'm not trying to make this post about the AUG, but when it comes to BullPups, sorry, but the AUG is the "Glock" reference point for just about everything that comes after. The TAVOR didn't even start showing its head in military-only fashion until sometime in the 2000's, not sure when the first US civilian models were made availble but not that long ago. For a new-comer I think it hit the mark, all reviews seem to point it to be a good choice. The bottom line is that its not exactly breaking any new ground; I handled one and thought the mag changes were slightly more intuitive but didn't like the bolt release. It felt cheaper than the AUG too, like I was handling a Kel-Tec. If you want lineage and Austrian design (think Glock) then I'd go with the Steyr. For me, the ability to do a complete barrel change in under 5 seconds is amazing; I don't even know any crew-served weapons that are quite that fast. What I would like to see is people buying a TAVOR instead of an AUG or FS2K based more on a point-by-point comparison rather than lifting the TAVOR onto some sort of imaginary Israeli pedestal, as if the fact its Israeli is like fanboy holy water. Steyr was doing it just as good as IMI was 50 years ago, that counts for something in my opinion.
For me the FS2k was a loser in every category, sorry FN, nice try and nice gun, but too little too late. Blasphemy I know... who cares it is what it is.
The Steyr Aug was designed in the 1960's, yes, right along-side the absolute and utter Garbage (but domestically-produced) Armalite AR-15 in generation-1 flavor. The AUG was 100x the gun the AR-15 ever was or ever will-be, but because Bullpups looked like some sort of 'Buck Rogers' guns to most Americans, the long-stroke gas piston AUG which happens to be produced a stone's throw from the Glock factory in Austria was conveniently overlooked by the US military-industrial complex. Fast-forward five decades and we've now come up with 10,000+ ways to "fix" the AR-15 to make it actually cycle like its supposed to, handle like its supposed to, and shoot like its supposed to. Meanwhile the AUG is pretty much still a factory gun with almost zero aftermarket support (because it doesn't need it) with a few cosmetic iterations.
So I'm not trying to make this post about the AUG, but when it comes to BullPups, sorry, but the AUG is the "Glock" reference point for just about everything that comes after. The TAVOR didn't even start showing its head in military-only fashion until sometime in the 2000's, not sure when the first US civilian models were made availble but not that long ago. For a new-comer I think it hit the mark, all reviews seem to point it to be a good choice. The bottom line is that its not exactly breaking any new ground; I handled one and thought the mag changes were slightly more intuitive but didn't like the bolt release. It felt cheaper than the AUG too, like I was handling a Kel-Tec. If you want lineage and Austrian design (think Glock) then I'd go with the Steyr. For me, the ability to do a complete barrel change in under 5 seconds is amazing; I don't even know any crew-served weapons that are quite that fast. What I would like to see is people buying a TAVOR instead of an AUG or FS2K based more on a point-by-point comparison rather than lifting the TAVOR onto some sort of imaginary Israeli pedestal, as if the fact its Israeli is like fanboy holy water. Steyr was doing it just as good as IMI was 50 years ago, that counts for something in my opinion.
For me the FS2k was a loser in every category, sorry FN, nice try and nice gun, but too little too late. Blasphemy I know... who cares it is what it is.
+1 for the FS2000, any advantages in reloading speed or trigger feel are out weighed when needing to deliver accurate fire from the weak shoulder. You might want to wait for Desert Tech's MDR release this year MDR - Micro Dynamic Rifle - Desert Tech . Not that I will ever be selling my Tuna.
The MDR is definitely something to be seriously considered from the few reviews I've seen.
MDR sounds great on paper, but it's non-existent. Think about it, the ACR WAS SUPPOSED TO Do this and even Remington couldn't pull it off worth a damn.
25 round SCAR mags from MLI are an abortion.
And knowing sll sll this you're going to throw your hat in the ring for a 6-caliber bull pup made by "desert tech", that hasn't even seen much of anything outside a prototype??
25 round SCAR mags from MLI are an abortion.
And knowing sll sll this you're going to throw your hat in the ring for a 6-caliber bull pup made by "desert tech", that hasn't even seen much of anything outside a prototype??
Personally, I don't really care who built what first. I am more interested in what works the best, or at least within my parameters, at the time I need it. I have a Big Tuna, and wish I could get out of it what I put into it, I'd sell it. I've got no one to blame for that purchase, but me. Out of all of the currently produced bullpups, I'd get the Tavor. The MDR may just be the best thing out there in a bullpup. That's to be proven. Over the next 5-10 years, I believe we will see a lot of innovation with bullpups.Its good to see another solid BullPup on the market, the Tavor seems to be a fine entry. I do find it slightly fan-boyish that many of the same crowd who scoffed at the AUG for almost 50 years, is the same crowd that bows down to the Tavor as the end-all/be-all BullPup. Lets face it, the IMI nametag is what sold this gun to the mainstream AR culture.
The Steyr Aug was designed in the 1960's, yes, right along-side the absolute and utter Garbage (but domestically-produced) Armalite AR-15 in generation-1 flavor. The AUG was 100x the gun the AR-15 ever was or ever will-be, but because Bullpups looked like some sort of 'Buck Rogers' guns to most Americans, the long-stroke gas piston AUG which happens to be produced a stone's throw from the Glock factory in Austria was conveniently overlooked by the US military-industrial complex. Fast-forward five decades and we've now come up with 10,000+ ways to "fix" the AR-15 to make it actually cycle like its supposed to, handle like its supposed to, and shoot like its supposed to. Meanwhile the AUG is pretty much still a factory gun with almost zero aftermarket support (because it doesn't need it) with a few cosmetic iterations.
So I'm not trying to make this post about the AUG, but when it comes to BullPups, sorry, but the AUG is the "Glock" reference point for just about everything that comes after. The TAVOR didn't even start showing its head in military-only fashion until sometime in the 2000's, not sure when the first US civilian models were made availble but not that long ago. For a new-comer I think it hit the mark, all reviews seem to point it to be a good choice. The bottom line is that its not exactly breaking any new ground; I handled one and thought the mag changes were slightly more intuitive but didn't like the bolt release. It felt cheaper than the AUG too, like I was handling a Kel-Tec. If you want lineage and Austrian design (think Glock) then I'd go with the Steyr. For me, the ability to do a complete barrel change in under 5 seconds is amazing; I don't even know any crew-served weapons that are quite that fast. What I would like to see is people buying a TAVOR instead of an AUG or FS2K based more on a point-by-point comparison rather than lifting the TAVOR onto some sort of imaginary Israeli pedestal, as if the fact its Israeli is like fanboy holy water. Steyr was doing it just as good as IMI was 50 years ago, that counts for something in my opinion.
For me the FS2k was a loser in every category, sorry FN, nice try and nice gun, but too little too late. Blasphemy I know... who cares it is what it is.
Although, I don't own a Tavor or AUG, I have shot both numerous times. I am still very happy that I do own an FS2K. As it has worked well for the worlds forces I know it will work well for me also!
+1 for the FS2000, any advantages in reloading speed or trigger feel are out weighed when needing to deliver accurate fire from the weak shoulder. You might want to wait for Desert Tech's MDR release this year MDR - Micro Dynamic Rifle - Desert Tech . Not that I will ever be selling my Tuna.
Tavor > fs2000. I have never shot the aug and held off purchase cause a new model was coming out but everyone says that's the best bull pup for what it's worth. It definitely is the ugliest though also lol
Keep the FS2000. you'll regret selling it. Not easy to come by right now.
Tavor will be around for a while, and price could come down.
Tavor will be around for a while, and price could come down.
My friend... may I suggest decaf?Its good to see another solid BullPup on the market, the Tavor seems to be a fine entry. I do find it slightly fan-boyish that many of the same crowd who scoffed at the AUG for almost 50 years, is the same crowd that bows down to the Tavor as the end-all/be-all BullPup. Lets face it, the IMI nametag is what sold this gun to the mainstream AR culture.
The Steyr Aug was designed in the 1960's, yes, right along-side the absolute and utter Garbage (but domestically-produced) Armalite AR-15 in generation-1 flavor. The AUG was 100x the gun the AR-15 ever was or ever will-be, but because Bullpups looked like some sort of 'Buck Rogers' guns to most Americans, the long-stroke gas piston AUG which happens to be produced a stone's throw from the Glock factory in Austria was conveniently overlooked by the US military-industrial complex. Fast-forward five decades and we've now come up with 10,000+ ways to "fix" the AR-15 to make it actually cycle like its supposed to, handle like its supposed to, and shoot like its supposed to. Meanwhile the AUG is pretty much still a factory gun with almost zero aftermarket support (because it doesn't need it) with a few cosmetic iterations.
So I'm not trying to make this post about the AUG, but when it comes to BullPups, sorry, but the AUG is the "Glock" reference point for just about everything that comes after. The TAVOR didn't even start showing its head in military-only fashion until sometime in the 2000's, not sure when the first US civilian models were made availble but not that long ago. For a new-comer I think it hit the mark, all reviews seem to point it to be a good choice. The bottom line is that its not exactly breaking any new ground; I handled one and thought the mag changes were slightly more intuitive but didn't like the bolt release. It felt cheaper than the AUG too, like I was handling a Kel-Tec. If you want lineage and Austrian design (think Glock) then I'd go with the Steyr. For me, the ability to do a complete barrel change in under 5 seconds is amazing; I don't even know any crew-served weapons that are quite that fast. What I would like to see is people buying a TAVOR instead of an AUG or FS2K based more on a point-by-point comparison rather than lifting the TAVOR onto some sort of imaginary Israeli pedestal, as if the fact its Israeli is like fanboy holy water. Steyr was doing it just as good as IMI was 50 years ago, that counts for something in my opinion.
For me the FS2k was a loser in every category, sorry FN, nice try and nice gun, but too little too late. Blasphemy I know... who cares it is what it is.
Between the Aug, Tavor and FS2000 I went with the FS. I did not plan on it, had myself just about talked into a Tavor, but the FS just felt so right. It looks horrible, but feels and shoots great. I might pick up a Tavor Shorty in 9mm, but I think once the MDR comes out, the price on those is going to tank. It is already starting to a bit.
Now the MDR, well it and the Scorpion EVO are my two planned rifle purchases in 2015. Can't wait for them both, already have my pre-orders in.
Now the MDR, well it and the Scorpion EVO are my two planned rifle purchases in 2015. Can't wait for them both, already have my pre-orders in.
Thanx for the input, not sure it helped my decision much, but did give me a lot to think about. I think I'll put my decision off for a few months and see what the market bears, and my wallet, and may keep my tuna and just add to the collection.
I sold my first one then bought two more. :biggrin:may keep my tuna and just add to the collection.
I really don't see why everyone is so in love with the Tavor.
Having a choice in calibers is nice, for one.
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