[Pahani]

The 460 Rowland guys were able to send me a picture of the FNX45-T in FDE done as a conversion earlier this week. And I was sold. But then a buddy I convinced to buy a Springfield TRP in 10mm earlier this year told me he doesn't use it anymore and asked if I would ... so I got the 10mm no 460 Rowland to be sure though. Maybe yet some day

Aww, that's a shame. I *did* finally get my Rowland conversion done, but I'm not able to shoot much. Once or twice a year. I was hoping to see your own pics and impressions heh!

 

[Northfolk]

The TRP is a beautiful gun.
Another few weeks or so will have some updates on the 460 conversion.

 

[NightHawk22]

Any pictures or groups of the .460 Rowland conversion? I’m interested in this as well.

 

[badguybuster]

Why not just do a 45 Super conversion?

 

[FN47]

The TRP is a beautiful gun.
Another few weeks or so will have some updates on the 460 conversion.

I may break down tomorrow and buy the FNX45-T from 460 tomorrow... I shouldn't but ... I feel like I Have to. I have an infection ... large bore autoloading pistol fever

 

[FN47]

Welp, it's official. I ordered the FNX45 Tactical in FDE strait from 460Rowland. They say it'll ship in around 2-3 weeks, so a month from now I should be shooting the 255gr hard cast lead cartridges I bought for it. Finally ready to protect my family while hiking out west!!

 

[Northfolk]

Why not just do a 45 Super conversion?

Being 45 super is similar to 45 auto +p i don't see the point of any 45 auto conversion unless going to 460 rowland.
45 auto +p 230g 1000fps 520 energy
45 super 230g 1100fps 600 energy
460R 230g 1400fps 1000 energy

 

[Northfolk]

Welp, it's official. I ordered the FNX45 Tactical in FDE strait from 460Rowland. They say it'll ship in around 2-3 weeks, so a month from now I should be shooting the 255gr hard cast lead cartridges I bought for it. Finally ready to protect my family while hiking out west!!

Damn! That's a good chunk of coin. I'm glad they said it's only a 2-3 week wait under current situation. I've been waiting on a AR Mutant going on 9 weeks now.
They have been nothing but helpful at 460rowland.com. Good people in OK.

I now have two full fnx 460 conversations, both standard, I don't do optics on handguns anyway. I do have a fnx 45 T but haven't shot it since 2016 much like my mark 57 and will probably sell/trade both soon. Got fnx on a trade in 2014 for a heavy White Oak AR15 I built and eventually hated.
Buddy has the tactical conversion with his trijicon but it takes a beating, not sure if any brand rmr could survive 460R longterm.
We are reloading 460 now at a good pace. He's pretty much mastered a great 230g load that matches Underwood's specs. We have about 5000 250 and 255 hardcast bullets but haven't began reloading them.
I just bought that standard 460 from a guy who emailed me after I put up a armslist ad to buy any 460 reloading items few weeks ago. He couldn't handle it after only a few mags through it and offered it to me for 1000 along with some ammo and 4 mags. Being in state I drove to him next day and grabbed it.
Point to that story is my unfired fnx 45 standard 460 is now for sale along with a ton of mags and ammo for 1500 cash or top tier ar/ak trade. MN only. Was just about to post it for sale here to but I'd rather keep it in state and I'm already getting offers and interest on armslist. Fibbed a little in ad about my new standard having 1000 rounds through it when it only has 50 but wanna give folks a sense that this is a reliable conversation, but buddys tactical conversion makes up for it as he's shot well over 2k in 460, 1k in Super and 5k in 45 auto no issues outside of failures early on with new reloads.

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Enjoy! I'll be doing some photos and vids soon but just not enough time in the day right now. I haven't even shot any gun in over 2 weeks, that's a hella longtime for me.

 

[FN47]

Being 45 super is similar to 45 auto +p i don't see the point of any 45 auto conversion unless going to 460 rowland.
45 auto +p 230g 1000fps 520 energy
45 super 230g 1100fps 600 energy
460R 230g 1400fps 1000 energy

I'd add too the value of being able to change up the old line: I shoot a .45 because they don't make a .46

I asked every gun store I walked into (every couple weeks) for a year if they had any 41 magnums and all I found were a couple abused wheel guns. My understanding is that, in the way of muzzle energy/FPE, stout factory loadings (e.g. Underwood) of 10mm are more powerful than those of 45 super. And the same goes for both 460 Rowland as well as 41 magnum with the cartridges loaded to their capability are more powerful in FPE than those of 10mm. 460 vs 41mag is an interesting comparison. It seems without +p the 41 mag on FPE does not claim a title.

But I don't think it's as simple as FPE. The FPE has to transfer to the target and in the right places. I would think the 45 caliber of 460R over 41mag's ~43 caliber or 10mms 40cal would transfer that FPE into the target more quickly, with less chance to over penetrate and the bullet leave with energy still left not transferred. But, bears hearts beat very slow and they might not be deterred by flesh wounds/pain. I think the bear central nervous system as a target would be the closest to a reliable way to survive. To penetrate into the bear, would the .45" be the best choice or would it lose energy too quickly? I understand this is where sectional density comes in - the bullet may have to displace more tissue to penetrate but if it has a higher relative weight to the more narrow projectile it's momentum can penetrate. 10mm seems to top at 200gr. 460 can use 45acp bullets and plenty of 255gr hard cast around.

I got some of the 460 ammo already Here is a poor photo of Underwood 460Rowland 255gr flat nose hard cast next to their 45acp +P offering with the same bullet. You can see the 460 has a longer case (1.4mm) and also Underwood apparently doesn't have access to nickel plated 460R brass


Anyway I feel like I have an autoloading 41 magnum coming in the mail, and it happens to be inside the FN FNX45 Tac that I've always wanted. God Bless America!

 

[Pahani]

Welp, it's official. I ordered the FNX45 Tactical in FDE strait from 460Rowland. They say it'll ship in around 2-3 weeks, so a month from now I should be shooting the 255gr hard cast lead cartridges I bought for it. Finally ready to protect my family while hiking out west!!

I'd add too the value of being able to change up the old line: I shoot a .45 because they don't make a .46

I asked every gun store I walked into (every couple weeks) for a year if they had any 41 magnums and all I found were a couple abused wheel guns. My understanding is that, in the way of muzzle energy/FPE, stout factory loadings (e.g. Underwood) of 10mm are more powerful than those of 45 super. And the same goes for both 460 Rowland as well as 41 magnum with the cartridges loaded to their capability are more powerful in FPE than those of 10mm. 460 vs 41mag is an interesting comparison. It seems without +p the 41 mag on FPE does not claim a title.

But I don't think it's as simple as FPE. The FPE has to transfer to the target and in the right places. I would think the 45 caliber of 460R over 41mag's ~43 caliber or 10mms 40cal would transfer that FPE into the target more quickly, with less chance to over penetrate and the bullet leave with energy still left not transferred. But, bears hearts beat very slow and they might not be deterred by flesh wounds/pain. I think the bear central nervous system as a target would be the closest to a reliable way to survive. To penetrate into the bear, would the .45" be the best choice or would it lose energy too quickly? I understand this is where sectional density comes in - the bullet may have to displace more tissue to penetrate but if it has a higher relative weight to the more narrow projectile it's momentum can penetrate. 10mm seems to top at 200gr. 460 can use 45acp bullets and plenty of 255gr hard cast around.

I got some of the 460 ammo already Here is a poor photo of Underwood 460Rowland 255gr flat nose hard cast next to their 45acp +P offering with the same bullet. You can see the 460 has a longer case (1.4mm) and also Underwood apparently doesn't have access to nickel plated 460R brass


Anyway I feel like I have an autoloading 41 magnum coming in the mail, and it happens to be inside the FN FNX45 Tac that I've always wanted. God Bless America!

Congrats! I still haven't been able to take mine to the range since I got the conversion done.....but I did order 460 ammo ahead of time, as you did, as a way to force myself to stop procrastinating and finally get it done heh.

Let us (or at least me) know what you think after you get some range time.

 

[Gray_Ghost]

But I don't think it's as simple as FPE. The FPE has to transfer to the target and in the right places. I would think the 45 caliber of 460R over 41mag's ~43 caliber or 10mms 40cal would transfer that FPE into the target more quickly, with less chance to over penetrate and the bullet leave with energy still left not transferred. But, bears hearts beat very slow and they might not be deterred by flesh wounds/pain. I think the bear central nervous system as a target would be the closest to a reliable way to survive. To penetrate into the bear, would the .45" be the best choice or would it lose energy too quickly? I understand this is where sectional density comes in - the bullet may have to displace more tissue to penetrate but if it has a higher relative weight to the more narrow projectile it's momentum can penetrate. 10mm seems to top at 200gr. 460 can use 45acp bullets and plenty of 255gr hard cast around.

So the rule of thumb that I've come to learn is, for bear/hog/etc, you want FMJ rounds, preferably in a +p loading. You need the velocity to penetrate. The vitals on hogs in particular are pretty deep in, and that's some very hard tissue to go through. 45 vs 10mm, I'll take 10mm every day of the week. You have a better chance of getting the penetration that you need.

Ultimately though, the statistics I've seen on bear attacks show the most important thing is getting as many rounds on target as possible. For bear, at least, getting more 9mm rounds on target is better than getting only a couple rounds of 10mm or 45. Hogs are a little more difficult to penetrate with the smaller round, hence why 10mm is widely regarded as one of the better options. Here is an article RE bear attacks sorted by caliber used in defense with pistol. Defense Against Bears with Pistols: 97% Success rate, 37 Incidents

I really wish there was a 10mm conversion for the FNX, but it's pretty much Springfield or Glock for that caliber, unless you want half the capacity.

 

[FN47]

So the rule of thumb that I've come to learn is, for bear/hog/etc, you want FMJ rounds, preferably in a +p loading. You need the velocity to penetrate. The vitals on hogs in particular are pretty deep in, and that's some very hard tissue to go through. 45 vs 10mm, I'll take 10mm every day of the week. You have a better chance of getting the penetration that you need.

To be more clear: 45 in the context of this thread is the caliber with the cartridge being 460 Rowland. The Rowland has more FPE than 10mm. In the case of the Underwood hard cast flat nose I pictured above that's 255gr projectile at 1300fps (957 fpe). The 10mm underwood hard cast flat nose I shoot is 200gr projectile at 1250fps (694fpe). Were these the cartridges you are thinking about when you say 10mm over 45 every day of the week?

Was talking to a friend at the range yesterday and he said to always use flat nose bullets over ball for hogs - that he emptied a 1911 (45 auto) of service ammo into the head of a charging hog and they bounced off its skull.

 

[Gray_Ghost]

Fair enough. I saw 45 vs 10mm, rather than 460 vs 10mm. That said, I don't know if the wider bullet will penetrate as easily on hogs, even with the greater velocity. If I had both, I'd do some comparison work next time at the ranch. My point still stands with regards to bear though. It's better to be able to put more hits on target, and the data on known bear attacks defended with a pistol bears that out. Much like with ordinary conceal carry, as long as you stick with 9mm or larger, you can successfully defend yourself against a bear. Hog, as those of us in the south know, is a different story. With that said, that 460 conversion costs almost as much as I paid out for a G29, not even counting the cost of a 45 to begin with (which I have a FNX-45 just can't justify the cost of a conversion atm).

 

[Northfolk]

Absolutely that "ain't no .46" saying is dead.

I haven't seen a good .41mag for sale in 10 years.

The 255 hardcast bullet for 460 rowland is thee semi bear killer! I hunt in northern mn and nm and have never seen a bear closer then 200 yards. My main game with the 460 would be blm bears, particularly around parents home which is 7 blocks from burnt down 3rd precinct. Hogs absolutely! Hell deer wouldn't have a chance.

They got 460R nickel brass for the 230 grain and extreme penetrator. Not sure why they ain't using it for all loads.

I threw this math in my ad on armslist

"That's the package! A great semi-auto with .44 mag standard power! Actually this is the most powerful semi handgun in the world. Math proves it!
FNX45 15+1=16 × 1019lbs=16,304lbs vs
Desert Eagle with 300gr 7+1=8 × 1663lbs=13,304lbs
Glock 40 with 135gr 15+1=16 × 767lbs=12,272lbs
Only limp wristers wouldn't want this gun."

Can't wait to see that new fnx 460R!

 

[FN47]

@Northfolk looks like we caught the same disease!

Got a little more 460 ammo in yesterday, And 460Rowland.com issued my tracking slip for shipping my converted FNX! Hoping to see the package arrive on the tracking site today fingers crossed but didnt expect to get that email so soon.

We will be defending our families from bears shortly

 

[FN47]

FDE FNX45 from 460 Rowland arrived today at the FFL! Pretty awesome turn around time. Looking forward to visiting her tomorrow before she starts her time in waiting period jail. Exciting times. I will post pics if there's an appropriate time to take any. Otherwise it might not be until range report this weekend (!!)

 

[Gray_Ghost]

I will say, that is a nice thing if I ever decide to go through with a conversion. They're near my hometown and inside of 2 hours from where I live currently. So I wouldn't have to mess with shipping. That's just really low on the priority list at the moment though, I need a tac slide first.

 

[FN47]

Saw her today at the FFL! Picking her up to shoot this weekend

 

[Northfolk]

LOL a conjugal visit. Those waiting periods are nonsense. At least you got to hold her. Just pure eye candy no matter the color.
Edit-ok figured out how to upload full size pics.

 

[Northfolk]