[djv38]

So, does anyone here have any experience with Griffin Armament cans and the various Silencerco cans? I'm specifically looking at the QD models (maybe the taper mount on the GA can's - but do those loosen like direct thread?)

So, I'm looking at the Omega and Saker 7.62 as well as GA 30SD and maybe Recce 7.

Use would be for 5.56 AR's, maybe 300 Blk and eventually a 17s and will probably get used on my 308 bolt gun - which is where the big question for me it.

I have some concerns about the GA 30SD repeatability and lock-up of the can (and the can wobbles which is apparently normal, which seems weird to me) as well as the GA taper mount and I'm not all that familiar with the QD lock-up on the Omega either.

At this point, the best lockup appears to be the Saker to me, but I have no real world experience. Which of these suppressors would be best for use on a precision rifle (bolt action) and also work very well on a carbine/battle rifle (don't have to worry about it working loose)?

The GA can's seem to have a little better suppression than the Saker (and on par with the Omega, maybe not quite as good) and the Omega is the lightest - which is a plus, but some of the Griffin cans are pretty light too.

Or maybe there's a better option? I know Dead Air is coming out soon, but I haven't many/any independent tests of those yet.

Sorry for the rambling :?:

 

[FS2KSTD]

https://www.full30.com/video/d559c7570e13a9dd160dea9383d8e51e

First test video in a series ... 5.56 cans to start but pretty impressive stats with both the SilencerCo/SWR and Griffin cans. My lowly M4-2000 could not compete! Boo-frickin-hoo

Good luck with your choice Dan ... don't think either manufacturers cans would be a bad one.

 

[djv38]

https://www.full30.com/video/d559c7570e13a9dd160dea9383d8e51e

First test video in a series ... 5.56 cans to start but pretty impressive stats with both the SilencerCo/SWR and Griffin cans. My lowly M4-2000 could not compete! Boo-frickin-hoo

Good luck with your choice Dan ... don't think either manufacturers cans would be a bad one.

That's what got me thinking about this! :mrgreen:

I probably won't get a 30 cal can this year, but I really want to know about lock-up and repeatability of the different systems (I haven't heard anything about the Griffin Armament one, I've heard the Trifecta MAAD mount is better than the Specwar mount)

 

[Troublesx10]

I have the m4sdII which is 5.56 and set up for qd. I also have saker and AAC cans. I do not have a 30 can by griffin, but I will say the wobble is nothing to worry about. It only wobbles r/l to help break carbon hold and designed to be that way. I have never had problems with it and I feel more confident with it then the AAC 51t design over time. As for the saker it is a twist motion that locks it, the griffin is a closed locking gate which locked in almost around the can. It Is solid. AAC has 1point, saker has 3 points, griffin locks almost all way around.

 

[vertigosol]

If you won't be running super short 556(<=10inch) or 308(<16inch) get the omega what you save in durability translates to weight and suppression. I don't think you could go wrong with the Reece 7 as it looks promising. Probably get less poi shift with the Reece since it is threaded taper. I have a omega and saker and I am impressed with the omega very much

fs2kstd. Thanks for the vid link makes me happy I went with the spec war. On another note maybe someone can inlighten me why you would want a sure fire can. I don't understand why you would pay more for a can that suppresses like garbage and weights a ton. I know some say the mount is the best but I honesty don't think it's that much better than ask/trifecta/yh types

 

[djv38]

If you won't be running super short 556(<=10inch) or 308(<16inch) get the omega what you save in durability translates to weight and suppression. I don't think you could go wrong with the Reece 7 as it looks promising. Probably get less poi shift with the Reece since it is threaded taper. I have a omega and saker and I am impressed with the omega very much

fs2kstd. Thanks for the vid link makes me happy I went with the spec war. On another note maybe someone can inlighten me why you would want a sure fire can. I don't understand why you would pay more for a can that suppresses like garbage and weights a ton. I know some say the mount is the best but I honesty don't think it's that much better than ask/trifecta/yh types

With the Omega, I could go QD on my carbines and battle rifles and direct thread on my precision gun. Have you noticed any decrease in accuracy while using the Spec War (since it uses the same QD mount the Omega does)

 

[vertigosol]

My specwar has very minimal shift I am running a 10 inch scar with it. No shift on the scar. The tavor had about 1 inch down but predictable. As long as shift is not extreme it's not a problem

 

[SCARFace17]

A .308 with a can is not going to be hearing safe, so for me overall sound suppression isn't my number one goal since I'll be wearing ears and all modern cans do a good enough job with sound suppression. Attachment method (and subsequent POI shift), durability, for, factor (size/weight), flash suppression and gas blow back (gas in the face and premature wear of parts, ie decreased durability to your gun for gassy cans) are all bigger considerations for a me than absolute sound suppression. I also consider the company I'm buying from's reputation (based on that Silencerco & Surefire are huge winners).

I'd advise you not to become a Db whore, muzzle Db numbers are meaningless anyway, you'll find cans like Griffin may test well at the muzzle do not offer you much advantage if any ar shooter's ear. Griffin's attachment method is inferior, they seem to be very gassy and another thing about the Griffin, they use stainless steel baffles, when most of the top silencer makers are using 718 Inconel or Stellate.

I'd stay away from Griffin and get a Saker, just my two cents.

 

[vertigosol]

A .308 with a can is not going to be hearing safe, so for me overall sound suppression isn't my number one goal since I'll be wearing ears and all modern cans do a good enough job with sound suppression. Attachment method (and subsequent POI shift), durability, for, factor (size/weight), flash suppression and gas blow back (gas in the face and premature wear of parts, ie decreased durability to your gun for gassy cans) are all bigger considerations for a me than absolute sound suppression. I also consider the company I'm buying from's reputation (based on that Silencerco & Surefire are huge winners).

I'd advise you not to become a Db whore, muzzle Db numbers are meaningless anyway, you'll find cans like Griffin may test well at the muzzle do not offer you much advantage if any ar shooter's ear. Griffin's attachment method is inferior, they seem to be very gassy and another thing about the Griffin, they use stainless steel baffles, when most of the top silencer makers are using 718 Inconel or Stellate.

I'd stay away from Griffin and get a Saker, just my two cents.

I agree with Griffin mount. Getting caught up in 2-3 dbs difference is not really anything to lose sleep over but to be fair the difference between a specwar556 and socomrc is 8dbs . That is like running you car without a muffler difference . So I would keep large discrepancies in mind. FYI surefire has stainless baffles in most their cans so does the Omega and many more cans. Having a full stack of stellate of inconel is only real important when you are running super short or have a fast firing schedule (full auto)

 

[SCARFace17]

I agree with Griffin mount. Getting caught up in 2-3 dbs difference is not really anything to lose sleep over but to be fair the difference between a specwar556 and socomrc is 8dbs . That is like running you car without a muffler difference . So I would keep large discrepancies in mind. FYI surefire has stainless baffles in most their cans so does the Omega and many more cans. Having a full stack of stellate of inconel is only real important when you are running super short or have a fast firing schedule (full auto)

Surefire SOCOM series are all Inconel 718 & Saker series are all Stellate. Specwar is a good quiet can but its long and heavy, Specwar 556 is 7.3" & 19.5oz, Surfire SOCOM is 6.2" & 17oz. SOCOM is renowned for it's flash suppression, attachment method, decreased blowback & minimal POI shift (I did not notice a shift at all with mine) all of which are superior on the SOCOM (along with smaller form factor). Throw a Specwar 762 on a 20" AR, it will be very quiet but not necessarily ideal on a fighting rifle. The new SOCOM RC2 is reported to have improved flash suppression & 2 Db quieter at the muzzle. Even an 8Db difference at the muzzle is meaningless to the shooter when the Db is the same at the shooter's ears, a concept many fail to grasp. True, in a CQB situatuon inside a shoot house it will be a little louder but you will also almost certainly be wearing ear pro and so will any other "team" members. If you need it for bump in the night troubles it will still be quieter than an unsuppressed handgun. Bottom line, if you're buying a can for 5.56 to be "quiet" you're shooting the wrong caliber and would benefit from reevaluating your priorities in a can.

 

[djv38]

Has anyone noticed a degradation in accuracy from using any of the various suppressors?

That's my biggest concern followed by form factor (size and weight), gas blow back, and lastly db level (still important, needs to be under 140 on a 16" AR). I'm not even really considering the Specwar because is a big can. The Saker 7.62 is on the heavy side of what is acceptable, but I like its lockup the best so far (just wish it was a couple ounces lighter and I'd be completely sold on it)

 

[vertigosol]

Surefire SOCOM series are all Inconel 718 & Saker series are all Stellate.

Fair enough didn't know that

Even an 8Db difference at the muzzle is meaningless to the shooter when the Db is the same at the shooter's ears, a concept many fail to grasp. True, in a CQB situatuon inside a shoot house it will be a little louder but you will also almost certainly be wearing ear pro and so will any other "team" members.

This is certainly wrong . SPL at the ears is louder than at the muzzle because of action noise but not all cans are on the same plane. The Socom is louder than silencerco cans by a lot. Like you said not that socom vans do not have their merit dont get me wrong . the mounting system and POI shift is tops and size and weight is not bad . Different cans for different applications

Griffin Recce 5:
Avg. Muzzle: 129.7 Db
Avg. Ear: 144.1 Db


SF SOCOM 556RC
Avg. Muzzle: 137.7 Db
Avg. Ear: 143.6 Db


SiCo Omega (556 Cap)
Avg. Muzzle: 131.7 Db
Avg. Ear: 134.0 Db

Ar15 action noise is about 120dbs

Via SilencerShop

 

[Big Vick]

The Saker 7.62 is on the heavy side of what is acceptable, but I like its lockup the best so far (just wish it was a couple ounces lighter and I'd be completely sold on it)

Why not look into a saker 556 or saker k 556 for your ar's?

Maybe go ahead and get the Saker762 for now then down the road when funds allow get one of the saker556's or whatever is the next big thing for a dedicated 556 can?

 

[djv38]

Well, right now trying to determine which 30 cal can will work best for my needs. A 5.56 can will come around in the future.

 

[SCARFace17]

Well, right now trying to determine which 30 cal can will work best for my needs. A 5.56 can will come around in the future.

Id get a 5.56 can before a .30 cal can, but my disclaimer is I'm unorthodox and usually go against the popular group think. My logic is that I DESPISE ginormous cans, even a small can is adding weight and bulk to the front of the gun, I like to keep that at a minimum. Lets face it, MOST people shoot more 5.56 than .308 and if you fall in that category (as I do), I'd opt for the 5.56 can first. 10-11.5" gets a full size 5.56 can, 14.5" gets a mini can, I wouldn't even bother suppressing a 16" gun & I don't shoot 5.56 rifles longer than that. I also value overall sound suppression less than other features of a 5.56 can, so I'm definitely in the minority with my choices.

 

[SCARFace17]

Djv38, I have a Saker 762 and it is a BIG can, significantly bigger than my SOCOM RC's & Minis.

 

[vertigosol]

Djv38, I have a Saker 762 and it is a BIG can, significantly bigger than my SOCOM RC's & Minis.

Always a balance between suppression, weight, length and durability only get to pick a few. The saker is heavy and big but not nearly like the specwar762

 

[Jeremy M.]

Surefire SOCOM series are all Inconel 718 & Saker series are all Stellate.

Just for clarification the baffle stacks in the Surefire are Inconel and Stellite in the Saker. The outer selves, mounts and endcaps are stainless. Not trying to split hairs, keep the good information going.

 

[Jeremy M.]

In case anyone is interested in the insides of the Griffin Recce 7 VS the SilencerCo Saker 7.62 just because.

 

[SCARFace17]

In case anyone is interested in the insides of the Griffin Recce 7 VS the SilencerCo Saker 7.62 just because.

View attachment 37833

Is it an illusion or is the Recce 7 a thicker can?