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Is this the real deal of just some political grandstanding and the flow of military type weaponry and transportation will continue through back channels? I'm always highly skeptical of anything that comes out of O's pie hole even when it sounds good on the surface. I'm always waiting for the gotya. It does see to be counterproductive to what some claim is his plan for making himself Emperor.

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I think is demonstrates his continued disdain form those in Blue. He has yet to publicly stand up for men and women in uniform, but not seem to have a problem crying foul for criminals. I think this is an opportunity to try and start some type of trickle down effect of a more generalized weapon restriction agenda. IMO
 

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From everything I have seen so far it is like he lives for the opposites game, so it is likely just another one of those kind of lies. Kind of like your Avatar 17Heavy..."don't run, we are your friends" as they shoot you. Other famous lines I recall. The most transparent administration ever. You can keep your doctor. I am not coming after your guns. I am a Christian. etc.
 

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...no longer fund or provide armored vehicles that run on a tracked system instead of wheels, weaponized aircraft or vehicles, firearms or ammunition of .50-caliber or higher, grenade launchers, bayonets or camouflage uniforms...
I good with this, we are talking police departments, not the National Guard.

Not to worry, I still don't trust Obummer and wouldn't discount an ulterior motive on his part for this decision.

I really think local police department are going 'toy crazy' with surplus military equipment that has no real use in police work and it will do nothing but undermine the freedom of citizens.
 

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How many of your local PDs have the tanks, grenade launchers, missle launchers ect..? In all of the police/sheriff/state police depts in my area (NW Indiana), they have a humvee or too (no machine gun mounted on top either) that is used for special response teams. When it comes to your families and their protection (besides you as a pro-gun owner/2nd Amendment supporter), what do you want the police to have equipment wise? Lets see, military and the criminals can/do/will have automatic weapons among other underground/black market items and the police can have a revolver, shotgun and baton.
Come on guys, the only LE departments I can see having the access to all of the military equipment, are the feds, NYPD, LAPD and maybe Chicago PD. Those depts have 1,000s of officers and the violence/crime to go with it.

"I really think local police department are going 'toy crazy' with surplus military equipment that has no real use in police work and it will do nothing but undermine the freedom of citizens." How do you figure this?

Do you know what the Gary Police (Gary, Indiana , my old dept.) are issued? A glock 22, baton and now some have tasers.
 

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Praise you IGC224, I hear Gary is a scary place!
Thank you. I served 11yrs (9yrs Patrol/FTO, 2yrs Sex Crimes Detective) on Gary PD as a sworn officer ('97-2008). I left and worked on a local PD (2.5yrs, unhappy). Now I am back in Gary assigned to the casino as a police officer (employed by the State of Indiana).
Approximately 800 violent murders occurred (including 3 fellow brothers) in my 11yrs. This was a city of about 100,000 people. There is almost nothing I haven't seen or dealt with. I was issued a Beretta 96G (before switch to glocks) and a baton, that is it. I love my job, I have helped alot of people. I have been in many positions where we were out-gunned by the bad guys.

I just want you guys to realize, the police are not the enemy here. In today's society, police need to have the upper hand when combating evil.
 

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How many of your local PDs have the tanks, grenade launchers, missle launchers ect..? In all of the police/sheriff/state police depts in my area (NW Indiana), they have a humvee or too (no machine gun mounted on top either) that is used for special response teams. When it comes to your families and their protection (besides you as a pro-gun owner/2nd Amendment supporter), what do you want the police to have equipment wise? Lets see, military and the criminals can/do/will have automatic weapons among other underground/black market items and the police can have a revolver, shotgun and baton.
Come on guys, the only LE departments I can see having the access to all of the military equipment, are the feds, NYPD, LAPD and maybe Chicago PD. Those depts have 1,000s of officers and the violence/crime to go with it.

"I really think local police department are going 'toy crazy' with surplus military equipment that has no real use in police work and it will do nothing but undermine the freedom of citizens." How do you figure this?

Do you know what the Gary Police (Gary, Indiana , my old dept.) are issued? A glock 22, baton and now some have tasers.
all of the local PDs around here have armored vehicles, Humvees, full auto weapons (one I know of each officer is issued a side arm and a M16) One town has a population of less the 1500 people and they have a armored trans and a Humvee. Not saying I'm for or against it. Just conveying my observations....
 
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It seems like an almost sole focus on the availability of military gear to local police. Blaming the gun again, so to speak, and this time a "gun" that was given to these police forces by the government to begin with.

Why not focus on how police interacts with other citizens, and their accountability for how they do this? Instead of simply taking the MRAP and .50cal machine guns back (or more likely, not give them new ones). What about the myriad of federal law enforcement agencies who still have access to this kind of equipment, despite having no need?

I'm not against it, but as a minimum this has to come with re-training for police forces to once again become what they were: Helpful people that could be trusted to do the right thing.

(Disclaimer: I realize there are plenty of nice, helpful police people out there)
 

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It seems like an almost sole focus on the availability of military gear to local police. Blaming the gun again, so to speak, and this time a "gun" that was given to these police forces by the government to begin with.

Why not focus on how police interacts with other citizens, and their accountability for how they do this? Instead of simply taking the MRAP and .50cal machine guns back (or more likely, not give them new ones). What about the myriad of federal law enforcement agencies who still have access to this kind of equipment, despite having no need?

I'm not against it, but as a minimum this has to come with re-training for police forces to once again become what they were: Helpful people that could be trusted to do the right thing.
I totally agree with you on this. The equipment in and of itself is not the problem, it is the application. It's like being an addict. The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. So far most don't see this as a problem the way a lot of civilians do.
 

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I very much doubt this is the begining of demilitarization. Chances are it is either:

1. Much ado about nothing. Tough talk, but little actual action
2. The beginning of a push towards officially Federalized police departments.
3. A tool to be used against non-compliant PDs. The ones that get onboard with whatever the hell the Feds say will get the cool toys and funding, the ones that don't won't. In the end, you've got de facto Federalized Police departments, but without the questionable legal issues.
 

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Funny how after 9/11 there were 2 programs (cant recall them right now) that granted funds to state law enforcement to purchase mil surplus items. To put the brakes on this I am good with...now DHS/FEMA and a few others buying bulk ammo - that gives me more concern...
 

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I believe the goal is an all powerful federalized police force, IMO O and friends have been using Ferguson, Brooklyn, Baltimore and other incidents to justify.

I very much doubt this is the begining of demilitarization. Chances are it is either:

1. Much ado about nothing. Tough talk, but little actual action
2. The beginning of a push towards officially Federalized police departments.
3. A tool to be used against non-compliant PDs. The ones that get onboard with whatever the hell the Feds say will get the cool toys and funding, the ones that don't won't. In the end, you've got de facto Federalized Police departments, but without the questionable legal issues.
 

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Cops are not soldiers, they should not be dressed or outfitted as soldiers, I get that in an active riot they have to be properly equipped but in any other situation cops should look like police officers that you would feel comfortable approaching in the community (not that I would ever recommend approaching a LEO in your community)
 
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