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Looking to buy a war time FN Hi Power with German markings

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Hi Everyone,

I am thinking of adding a wartime FN to my collection and was looking for a little input. If I were to buy ONE FN Hi Power what do you think I should be looking for? Is there the "quintessential" one or particular qualities I should be looking at? Wooden grips versus bakelite? Particular serial numbers? I would like to get one that was made very early on in the occupation if at all possible. Thanks in advance for you input. John.
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Do your research and try to find one that is not late war production. Especially if you want to occasionally shoot it.
Keep in mind that the Nazi-era Hi Powers were essentially made with "conscripted" labor. Slaves. So quality control wasn't what we would now call an employee investment. Wood grips are preferable, if only because with age bakelite becomes very brittle and is easily broken.
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Do you research and try to find one that is not late war production. Especially if you want to occasionally shoot it.
Keep in mind that the Nazi-era Hi Powers were essentially made with "conscripted" labor. Slaves, so quality control wasn't what we would now call an employee investment. Wood grips are preferable, if only because with age bakelite becomes very brittle and is easily broken.
Thanks. Can you point me in the right direction for published research on wartime FN’s? I have looked and can’t find the right resources.
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I found one at my local shop for $500 plus tax. It is an early 1943 ' a - suffix ' pistol, probably a USGI bring back that sat in his basement unused for decades. The poor quality wooden grips were brittle and nearly crumbling from rot. The trigger pull was far too light at appx 2#s and there was some surface rust along with a generally poor original finish. I knew I was buying it when I saw it because it was an old BHP in OK shape for $500. I don't collect war stuff, just High Powers and other pistols. These were not beautiful pistols when they left the factory.

IMO: None of them are shooters, though if you replace all of the springs, the recoil spring guide rod and the extractor if needed, they can be safely fired. The sear spring may be the most critical spring to need replacement and was the reason my trigger was at 2#s rather than 4-5#s. For shooting I replaced the wooden grips with a plastic set from the '80s. They look much like the Bakelite grips and fit well. All replaced parts have been archived for posterity.

If I were looking for one for my collection, I might seek a "last ditch" pistol with a high serial number from the end of Occupation or one of the Liberation pistols sold to GIs as the Germans ran home from Belgium. I would probably never fire this one. A more difficult to find piece would be a very early Occupation version with Belgian proof marks. One of each of the 4 or 5 variations would be fun. If each different version had the same serial number (different suffix or no suffix), that would be even better!

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Cheers,

Tim

At the shop:


Archived Parts:


Sear Spring Comparisons:
*you can see how they lose their spring with age.


I replaced the sear with one from the '80s:


RDIH Optimized Sear Spring installed:


Covergirl:


Some Historical stuff:
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I found one at my local shop for $500 plus tax. It is an early 1943 ' a - suffix ' pistol, probably a USGI bring back that sat in his basement unused for decades. The poor quality wooden grips were brittle and nearly crumbling from rot. The trigger pull was far too light at appx 2#s and there was some surface rust along with a generally poor original finish. I knew I was buying it when I saw it because it was an old BHP in OK shape for $500. I don't collect war stuff, just High Powers and other pistols. These were not beautiful pistols when they left the factory.

IMO: None of them are shooters, though if you replace all of the springs, the recoil spring guide rod and the extractor if needed, they can be safely fired. The sear spring may be the most critical spring to need replacement and was the reason my trigger was at 2#s rather than 4-5#s. For shooting I replaced the wooden grips with a plastic set from the '80s. They look much like the Bakelite grips and fit well. All replaced parts have been archived for posterity.

If I were looking for one for my collection, I might seek a "last ditch" pistol with a high serial number from the end of Occupation or one of the Liberation pistols sold to GIs as the Germans ran home from Belgium. I would probably never fire this one. A more difficult to find piece would be a very early Occupation version with Belgian proof marks. One of each of the 4 or 5 variations would be fun. If each different version had the same serial number (different suffix or no suffix), that would be even better!

Pictures added for your entertainment.

Cheers,

Tim

At the shop:
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Archived Parts:
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Sear Spring Comparisons:
*you can see how they lose their spring with age.
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I replaced the sear with one from the '80s:
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RDIH Optimized Sear Spring installed:
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Covergirl:
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Some Historical stuff:
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Thanks so much. I think I am going to try to get one of the early production models. Thanks for the info. John
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There was a very rare Nazi Hi Power making the rounds at various PA gun shows a few years back. It had all the appropriate German markings and worn finish. It also had the very, very, rare Nazi external extractor and one of exactly none ever built that way. The folks behind the table were a semi elderly couple, or maybe young people cleverly disguised, so I never conversed with them about their unique artifact.

I saw it at several different gun shows, and often I wonder if anybody ever took the bait. Every time I see a new Nazi Hi Power thread I can't help but peek and see if it's the PA gun show example. Maybe next time...
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There was a very rare Nazi Hi Power making the rounds at various PA gun shows a few years back. It had all the appropriate German markings and worn finish. It also had the very, very, rare Nazi external extractor and one of exactly none ever built that way. The folks behind the table were a semi elderly couple, or maybe young people cleverly disguised, so I never conversed with them about their unique artifact.

I saw it at several different gun shows, and often I wonder if anybody ever took the bait. Every time I see a new Nazi Hi Power thread I can't help but peek and see if it's the PA gun show example. Maybe next time...
Yeah, I'm not going for anything super rare and to be honest it doesn't even have to be super high quality. I am looking for an honest example of an early issue Hi Power and signs of use are of no consequence. thanks. John
Thanks so much. I think I am going to try to get one of the early production models. Thanks for the info. John
Yes, a WaA613 would be interesting but there are only 15,000 of them.
I hope you keep us updated when you find yours!


Cheers,

Tim
Yes, a WaA613 would be interesting but there are only 15,000 of them.
I hope you keep us updated when you find yours!


Cheers,

Tim
Not sure which one I will get. I guess that's part of the game. But I will let you know when I know. ;)
Check with Homepage | Legacy Collectibles

He is a defacto standard on WWII collectables.
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Here's the actual sales link for his FN High power models:

Here's the actual sales link for his FN High power models:

Thank you!!
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