I have 3 magazines on the way back to Bob Ailes. All have had exactly 250 rounds put through them. I was loading them up for a range session and one after the other disintegrated in my hands. The smoked plastic under the loading area just snapped off.
I have always babied them, haveing read reports of magazine problems. For example, I always use the magazine release to insert them gently into place. I've wiped the outsides down with a cotton rag lightly misted with Formula 409 and brushed off the rollers but never used any harsh chemicals on them.
Maybe a bad run of plastic? One of my magazines still looks fine. The P90 has been around since 1994 so I assume they would have discovered major problems by now.
Bob told me he'd examine them and if he thought they were defective he would replace them. Nice man.
I had that same comment about the plastic concerning the mags for my 57. All three had a chip knocked out by the round in the following position. The mags sent back feel different...I'm wondering if my they played with the formulation or it was just a could of bad batches.
Received 3 replacement mags back from Bob Ailes at FN USA on Friday. Very happy to have FN step up and replace them. I spoke with Bob Ailes, he said that they have had trouble with LEOs who push the rounds straight down through the feed lips instead of sliding the rounds in; which breaks the magazines. I assured him I had never done this and was quite gentle when loading. Not sure he believed me, and it's hard to believe someone could be that dumb but I sure appreciated getting the new mags!
I follow Therm's advice now and just use 1 mag for play and store the rest for a rainy day. The ammo is too expensive to shoot in high volumes at the range anyhow, so taking the time to load the 1 mag 50rd at a time is somewhat of a speed limiter!
I follow Therm's advice now and just use 1 mag for play and store the rest for a rainy day. The ammo is too expensive to shoot in high volumes at the range anyhow, so taking the time to load the 1 mag 50rd at a time is somewhat of a speed limiter!
Yea, I'm doing that too. I just got some new mags, so I tried them all 1x. But now, I'm only using 1 mag at the range, and 1 that I keep loaded when the gun is at home.
Between two mags, I have almost 400 rounds per, and zero problems. Did Bob tell you the exact problem? Bad batch? As stated, they have been in service for quite a long time, so I don't think this is a permanent problem.
I always thought the magazines looked to fragile - plastic just seems to easy to crack. These things can't cost more then $10 to manufacture - probably less then that.
I always thought the magazines looked to fragile - plastic just seems to easy to crack. These things can't cost more then $10 to manufacture - probably less then that.
Between two mags, I have almost 400 rounds per, and zero problems. Did Bob tell you the exact problem? Bad batch? As stated, they have been in service for quite a long time, so I don't think this is a permanent problem.
No, Bob felt the problem is that users are pushing the rounds straight down with great force when loading, forcing them past the feed lips when they load the magazine. Obviously, I wasn't doing that, which I told Bob, but I didn't want to get into an argument with a guy helping me out so I didn't press him on the issue of faulty magazines.
My 4th magazine that had also shot 250 rounds looks fine and I'll see how the new ones hold up. Keeping a near virgin one for SHTF situations seems like a wise precaution as others have suggested.
I had one failure to feed on the last round today, but it's to hard to say what caused it, the tip of the bullet was partially sheared and the case had a single deep, broad scratch in it like it tried to go in, or slipped forward some and was clipped by the breech moving back on the round fired before.
My new 50rd mag, seems to be having a problem. Everytime the last round tried to load, it hit something and pushed the bullit into the case and jamed. All other rounds worked fine till the last one. I did a super detailed cleaning of the gun and plan on trying it again. But this worries me that a weapon that cost almost 1900 dollars and mags that run from 50 to 80 dollars would have these weird issues. Cant pinpoint exactly what is causing it. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks
After the fourth malfunction I took the mag apart including the rollers, wiped them clean, they were not dirty, wiped the mag real good reassembled, took some dummy rounds and they cycled fine, will test it with live ammo next. Thanks
Yup yup. All the other mags had two, but my original 30-rnd had three, giving me only 29 rounds I could get into the thing. I took out the extra and it worked fine.
I now have two more mags of six that have been damaged. One is almost exactly the same place. Neither has failed yet, but one has a crack just below the face of the magazine, the other looks to have the face coming loose from the body of the magazine. Bad glue, I suspect.
I've never had problems like this with a weapons system. I've been shooting quite a while and I'm a cheap bugger, so I don't tend to manhandle the rifle or components.
Well, this will lead into the overstressing of mag springs - and I know this issue is NEVER resolved, because we all thing we know best.
But, as I stated before, I always underload my mags a bit. 1 less in handgun mags. And in the PS90 mag I keep loaded all the time, I keep it loaded at 40 rounds, instead of 50.
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