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In the MAY issue there is a article about the bannig of ammo. the list of ammo was very large and the 5.7 was mentioned twice in the article. thirteen states have already launched bans against bullets and reloads. If this becomes federal law we will see the most popular bulltes become a thing of the past. I must say it is very dishearting to read that our goverment would consider such things. The ANTIGUN groups are working harder than ever and they will have a blank check given to them from the whitehouse if OBAMA enters the PRESIDENTS OFFICE.
 

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agreed and that sucks....i will have to sell the '90 if the ammo is banned :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
 

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I am...but thats still BS!!!
 

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How assured is this, though? Could this be one of those things you hear about yet it never actually transpires?
 

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It just makes me mad how good, upstanding citizens get punished by banning ammo guns and mag restrictions....utter bs! :roll:
 

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Here is the bill that was created by Eliot Engel of New York

110th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 1784

To protect the Nation's law enforcement officers by banning the Five-seveN Pistol and 5.7 x 28mm SS190 and SS192 cartridges, testing handguns and ammunition for capability to penetrate body armor, and prohibiting the manufacture, importation, sale, or purchase of such handguns or ammunition by civilians.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

March 29, 2007

Mr. ENGEL (for himself, Mrs. MCCARTHY of New York, Mr. KENNEDY, Mr. FARR, Ms. WATSON, Mr. BRADY of Pennsylvania, Mrs. MALONEY of New York, Mr. PALLONE, Mr. SHERMAN, Mrs. LOWEY, Ms. WOOLSEY, and Mr. MORAN of Virginia) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

A BILL

To protect the Nation's law enforcement officers by banning the Five-seveN Pistol and 5.7 x 28mm SS190 and SS192 cartridges, testing handguns and ammunition for capability to penetrate body armor, and prohibiting the manufacture, importation, sale, or purchase of such handguns or ammunition by civilians.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Protect Law Enforcement Armor Act' or the `PLEA Act'.

SEC. 2. FINDINGS AND PURPOSE.

(a) Findings- Congress finds the following:

(1) Law enforcement is facing a new threat from handguns and accompanying ammunition, which are designed to penetrate police body armor, being marketed and sold to civilians.

(2) A Five-seveN Pistol and accompanying ammunition, manufactured by FN Herstal of Belgium as the `5.7 x 28 mm System', has recently been recovered by law enforcement on the streets. The Five-seveN Pistol and 5.7 x 28mm SS192 cartridges are legally available for purchase by civilians under current law.

(3) The Five-seveN Pistol and 5.7 x 28mm SS192 cartridges are capable of penetrating level IIA armor. The manufacturer advertises that ammunition fired from the Five-seveN will perforate 48 layers of Kevlar up to 200 meters and that the ammunition travels at 2100 feet per second.

(4) The Five-seveN Pistol, and similar handguns designed to use ammunition capable of penetrating body armor, pose a devastating threat to law enforcement.

(b) Purpose- The purpose of this Act is to protect the Nation's law enforcement officers by--

(1) testing handguns and ammunition for capability to penetrate body armor; and

(2) prohibiting the manufacture, importation, sale, or purchase by civilians of the Five-seveN Pistol, ammunition for such pistol, or any other handgun that uses ammunition found to be capable of penetrating body armor.

SEC. 3. ARMOR PIERCING AMMUNITION.

(a) Expansion of Definition of Armor Piercing Ammunition- Section 921(a)(17)(B) of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) in clause (i), by striking `or' at the end;

(2) in clause (ii), by striking the period at the end and inserting `; and'; and

(3) by adding at the end the following:

`(iii) a projectile that--

`(I) may be used in a handgun; and

`(II) the Attorney General determines, pursuant to section 926(d), to be capable of penetrating body armor.'.

(b) Determination of Capability of Projectiles To Penetrate Body Armor- Section 926 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(d)(1) Not later than 1 year after the date of enactment of this subsection, the Attorney General shall promulgate standards for the uniform testing of projectiles against Body Armor Exemplar.

`(2) The standards promulgated pursuant to paragraph (1) shall take into account, among other factors, variations in performance that are related to the type of handgun used, the length of the barrel of the handgun, the amount and kind of powder used to propel the projectile, and the design of the projectile.



`(3) As used in paragraph (1), the term `Body Armor Exemplar' means body armor that the Attorney General determines meets minimum standards for the protection of law enforcement officers.'.

SEC. 4. ARMOR PIERCING HANDGUNS AND AMMUNITION.

(a) In General- Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(aa) Five-SeveN Pistol-

`(1) IN GENERAL- It shall be unlawful for any person to manufacture, import, market, sell, ship, deliver, possess, transfer, or receive--

`(A) the Fabrique Nationale Herstal Five-SeveN Pistol;

`(B) 5.7 x 28mm SS190 and SS192 cartridges; or

`(C) any other handgun that uses armor piercing ammunition.

`(2) EXCEPTIONS- This subsection shall not apply to--

`(A) any firearm or armor piercing ammunition manufactured for, and sold exclusively to, military, law enforcement, or intelligence agencies of the United States; and

`(B) the manufacture, possession, transfer, receipt, shipment, or delivery of a firearm or armor piercing ammunition by a licensed manufacturer, or any person acting pursuant to a contract with a licensed manufacturer, for the purpose of examining and testing such firearm or ammunition to determine whether paragraph (1) applies to such firearm.'.

(b) Penalties- Section 924(a)(1)(B) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking `or (q)' and inserting `(q), or (aa)'. :(
 

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Votes related to H.R. 1784 [110th]
No votes matched the chosen year and chamber


This thing died in committee. Nether side wanted it to go forward due to the wide consences that many hunting weapons and ammo will also do the same thing.

H.R. 1784 rest in peace.
 

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whew.....thats good news at least
 

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Engel bill to ban 5.7x28 still on?

devildoc said:
Votes related to H.R. 1784 [110th]
No votes matched the chosen year and chamber


This thing died in committee. Nether side wanted it to go forward due to the wide consences that many hunting weapons and ammo will also do the same thing.

H.R. 1784 rest in peace.
Devildoc, are you sure this bill died? The August/September issue of G&A Handguns mag has a piece on page 12 of the "Industry and Intel Report " section, stating that the bill was introduced, and is in the House Judiciary Committee.
 
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