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So I just bought a 17 - this is only my 4th gun (HK45, Benelli M4 and two Citoris) since I started collecting this summer, so I'm pretty new to this stuff. Shot it yesterday and wondering what's wrong with the stock trigger that everyone swaps theirs out for the Geissele? If I don't know any better, should I spend the extra for one?

I bought some Black Hills ammo upon recommendation from the shop, but when I got home, I realized it says "seconds" on the box-apparently perfectly fine, but has cosmetic damage. These rounds will be my intruder shooters, so I want to make sure they are good to go-will they be?

Also looking for suggestions for my next purchase. What's on your list of must have firearms? What's on your list of badass guns that might not be must have practical, but would be a hoot to own regardless of price and availability?
 

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Welcome to the forum.

There is nothing wrong with the OEM trigger. It tends to be on the heavy (sometimes gritty) side...but they also seem to vary in quality from SCAR to SCAR. The G trigger is a very nice upgrade and, to me, worth the money.

As for the Black Hills ammo, I would run at least a few boxes of anything you plan on using as HD ammo before depending on it.

As for my list of must haves...

I'm far too easily distracted to stick to a list. But I'll tell you what's next after I get it. Often I surprise even myself.
 

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Nothing really wrong with the stock trigger, the Geissele break for me is perfect and reduces the pull from about 8lbs in most Scars to just over 4. For me the trigger improvement reduced the number of flyers and I believe the weapon is more consistent. There are other trigger options, Shooting Sight and Timney are 2 others.

As far as next purchase, the answer lies in what you want to do with the weapon.
 

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The stock trigger will provide 100% function utilizing a very standard, lawyer and I only presume battlefield friendly 'heavy' pull. If you like it, stick with it.

The G trigger will provide 100% function with the cleanest, crispest, most beautiful 'break' you have ever felt. For the 10K+ rounds I'll be putting through my SCAR, it's worth every cent.

In both cases you are rewarded by firing the best battle rifle ever made, but it's the improved mechanical interface between brain and firing pin that makes it so worthwhile. Between the Elcan 1.5x6 and the G trigger, so far I'm at 100% success rate selling other SCAR owners that have test-fired my rifle on how sweet these items are. If you have one of the better stock triggers, you may be less impressed, but you will never be disappointed.
 

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The heavy, mine trigger broke @ 8.1 pounds, and gritty trigger is a problem at least for me. Once replaced with the Geissele Super scar trigger groups dramatically. The 2nd thing that doesn't help group size is the pencil thin barrel which heats up quickly and tends to open up group size. If your looking for a 308 that will consistently shoot sub moa groups the 17s may not be for you. But that is not what the 17S was designed for.
 

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You don't notice how bad the stock trigger is until you have tried out a super scar . Maybe its just me but isn't a 308/7.62 a little too "much" for a home defense gun. I would worry in a case where I would have to shoot, the round would penetrate the the target, the house, into the next house...
 

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Welcome! My 17 trigger was very crisp, in fact one of the best triggers I'd ever experienced up to that point, but very heavy. Installed a super Scar and the difference is like night and day. Like others have said for a battle trigger it is just fine. but since I'm just a range ninja I wanted something to help my accuracy.
 

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:welcomesigntb3: Myself I would never use/buy seconds on ammo or food!:-o
 

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One way to tell if the stock trigger is acceptable for you is to get the best optic you want for your SCAR, sight it in and then start moving out to longer range shots. When you find the longest distance you are comfortable with start shooting for the best groupings that you can make. You will either be happy with your set up or you will start looking for things to blame for your performance. A gritty heavy trigger will stand out in when you are trying to concentrate on your shots. (This may not be the reason for bad shooting, but it is sure a nice area to place blame).
 

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Like Vertigosol already mentioned, I would REALLY reconsider using 7.62/308 for home defense. Especially if you have other family members in the house or neighbors nearby. It's overkill. Stick with something like 9mm JHP or 5.56/223 Hollow Points that won't over penetrate and kill innocent people in the next room/house.
 

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T-a-G,

Enjoy you new SCAR, give the BH's ammo a try, their Blem rounds are better than a lot of company's firsts.

But, unless yo live on a mountain top, you might want to reconsider the 17s as a primary, home defense piece. Lots of potential for over penetration and if you have not yet fired a carbine or rifle in an enclosed place, you have an experience coming. Your HK45 might be an option, especially with a white light addition to assist in target ID.

As to what's next? Depends on your needs, but hey, if price is no object, a M2 HB .50 cal would be amazing!!! A whole new over penetration machine!

good luck
 

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Maybe its just me but isn't a 308/7.62 a little too "much" for a home defense gun. I would worry in a case where I would have to shoot, the round would penetrate the the target, the house, into the next house...
Like Vertigosol already mentioned, I would REALLY reconsider using 7.62/308 for home defense. Especially if you have other family members in the house or neighbors nearby. It's overkill. Stick with something like 9mm JHP or 5.56/223 Hollow Points that won't over penetrate and kill innocent people in the next room/house.
But, unless yo live on a mountain top, you might want to reconsider the 17s as a primary, home defense piece. Lots of potential for over penetration and if you have not yet fired a carbine or rifle in an enclosed place, you have an experience coming. Your HK45 might be an option, especially with a white light addition to assist in target ID.
Well, that's like, just your opinion, man. You guys need to step up to modern times and load your own or look at Mk319 ammo and the below:

Hornady TAP
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Given that the 556 has 60 years of close quarters combat experience on the winning side of every fight, from jungles, to urban fighting, while the 308 has found it's niche in long range (400+) yards, I'd say the notion that 556 is better suited for home defense is a little more than 'opinion'. :)

Unless, of course, your house is more than 400 yards long.
 

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Given that the 556 has 60 years of close quarters combat experience on the winning side of every fight, from jungles, to urban fighting, while the 308 has found it's niche in long range (400+) yards, I'd say the notion that 556 is better suited for home defense is a little more than 'opinion'. :)

Unless, of course, your house is more than 400 yards long.
Indeed NSWC and those goofy SEALS don't know what the frack they're doing.
 

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