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New submachine gun could shake up the firearms world

MOYOCK, N.C.

His Ford Crown Victoria disabled by hostile fire, driver Tom Maffin scrambled from the car, crouched behind the hood and sprayed a target with automatic gunfire to cover for a passenger.

Maffin's weapon: a KRISS Super V .45-caliber submachine gun.

If you're military or law enforcement and haven't heard of it, chances are you soon will.

Maffin is senior gunsmith for Transformational Defense Industries Inc., a weapons technology firm that conducts its research and development from a Virginia Beach office park near Lynnhaven Mall.
> Watch video of the KRISS Super V submachine gun.

By early next year, the Washington-based TDI plans to open a production facility in Virginia Beach to begin manufacturing the submachine gun for police and military use and a .45-caliber semi automatic carbine for the commercial shooting market.

Industry experts say the weapons are unlike any other now on the market and could shake up the firearms world.

What makes the weapons special, company and industry officials say, is a new patented operating system that substantially reduces recoil and muzzle climb when fired.

The recoil, or kick, of a conventional weapon is directed backward into a shooter's shoulder, causing the gun to rise off target. TDI's "Super V" bolt-and-slide mechanism directs the energy downward in front of the trigger.

Company tests indicate the mechanism reduces recoil by 40 to 60 percent and muzzle rise by about 95 percent over conventional gun operating systems.

At a Thursday demonstration for media at a Blackwater USA firing range in Moyock, officials said their system improves accuracy and reduces user fatigue. The submachine gun can be fired with one hand and remain on target.

"This is the future of weapons right here," said Andrew Finn, TDI's senior vice president.

TDI has worked with the Army and special operations forces to develop the technology. It uses Blackwater's facilities to field test the weapons.

Officials set up the disabled vehicle scenario to demonstrate the maneuverability and firepower of the .45-caliber submachine gun, which TDI says is ideal for close-quarter situations the police and military encounter in urban settings.

The gun, which weighs about 5 pounds unloaded and collapses to a length of 16 inches, can be easily carried in helicopters, Humvees and other vehicles, said Maffin, a retired Marine who began working at TDI's Virginia Beach operation about a year ago.

"Seeing this product for the first time in my interview, I was sold," Maffin said. "It's got the knockdown power a lot of guys want."

Members of the media at the Thursday event, heavy in such trade publications as Guns & Ammo and Small Arms Review magazines, were allowed to shoot the submachine gun and the carbine.

"The reduction in recoil is absolutely amazing," said Wendy Henry, who works in Pennsylvania for Women In Scope, a TV series that promotes women's awareness of firearms. "It's very easy to maintain your control over it."

Frank Borelli, a law enforcement and military consultant in Maryland, said the weapon is "going to rock the firearms industry." He has fired the TDI submachine gun but did not attend the event.

"What they're doing is very different," Borelli said.

Some industry experts question whether the company will make significant inroads with military and police, which have moved away from submachine guns - in part because their pistol-caliber rounds can't pierce body armor. The gun's price tag - now expected to retail in the $1,200-to-$1,300 range - also could chill sales.

Company officials said interest is high, noting that they worked with the Army's Picatinny armament research and development arsenal in New Jersey to develop the technology.

These guns are the first product that TDI, a five-year-old subsidiary of Switzerland-based Gamma Research and Technologies Holding SA, has brought to market.

Chuck Kushell, TDI's chief executive officer and director, said the Virginia Beach operation, dubbed Viking Works, will grow once production starts in January or February.

Currently, eight engineers, machinists and gunsmiths work in a 4,000-square-foot facility. Kushell said he expects to more than double the space and add 15 to 20 employees as the company ramps up over the next few months.

To reach the civilian market, the company developed the .45-caliber carbine. Plans call for marketing it primarily to shooting enthusiasts who would use it for competitions and target practice, but it also could be used for hunting.

"This is not going to be a gun for everyone," Kushell said.

Company officials said the Super V mechanism can be adapted to any caliber weapon. Work currently is under way on a 12-gauge shotgun. And the company has won an Army contract valued at a little over $1 million to develop a lighter-weight, more user-friendly .50-caliber machine gun, Kushell said.






Prototypes of the KRISS Super V .45-caliber submachine gun and carbine are displayed at TDI’s production facility in Virginia Beach.

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A civilian Carbine version of this will be super kewl - although, ya know the damn thing will probably cost $2k!
 

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Never heard of that one, Ship!

That is a very, unique weapon. Agree, any civilian version (not holding my breath waiting on availability) will probably be $1,650.00-$2,250.00.

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It's still operating on a delayed blowback system right? Looks to bulky for my taste. I think I'll stick to my PS90. I'd like to see alot more data on it thought.
 

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The full auto, police version has bene talked about a few times in the past on this site, and I've also seen it discussed on other forums too. This is the first I've herad of a civilian version, though... Now, I have something else to save for. This looks pretty kewl.
 

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You can see this on the Military Channel's show "Futureweapons". I forget which episode it was in but they replay it all the time.
 

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I saw that episode too and sometimes i wonder about the authenticity of the hosts credintials. the guy is supposed to be an ex SEAL sniper but when you see him fire that thing on full auto, the shot pattern looks like #00 buck. there is supposed to be no recoil on this weapon. anybody else notice that?
 

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His abilities have been questioned by others also. He made me do a double take when he showed a 7.62x39 cartidge and called it a 308. :evil:

He may be for real and the baddest SOB in the country, but if he is, it doesn't show in that series.
 

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He is a SEAL, but even monkeys fall from trees. His book is not too bad either...
 

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Roger that. We had part of team two on our ship when we went to bosnia. 4 of the seals were 100% stone cold operators and one was a rich guys kid that wanted to play high speed low drag. He frequently got his butt kicked by the other 4 on a routine basis, and finally got kicked off the ship after a liberty incident.

As for the other 4 Seals, WOW, they did some wild **** that would make the totally insane say "you want me to do what?" But they made it look like childs play. I'm glad they are our side.
 

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heh heh, i thought all SEALs were rich, pretty boys. thats what they always show on the discovery channel
 

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Hey be carefull now LOWMANJASON, early on in my navy career I had a chance to train at Brags, JFK Special Warfare Traing Center with Green Berit/ SF personnel and I must say that the Navy had a 75% graduation rate over the Army's Students.

But I must admit we did have an advantage on the Army Guy's.

We could read.
 

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few observations:
- the Kriss has an extremely short barrel compared to other SMGs of the same overall length... i'm talking pistol barrel length here. just seems wrong to compare it to true SMGs.
- the vertical grip on the Kriss as opposed to the horizontal front grip of the UMP will surely affect barrel rise.
- why is he shooting the UMP with his thumb not behind the pistolgrip? that's not an accurate portrayal of how you'll be shooting a UMP.
- i know many americans hate bullpup, but why the hell isn't this thing turned into a bullpup? that way, your antirecoil system is not making the gun loosing so much barrel length when compared to normal SMGs. you'll be winning at least 33% of extra barrel length, if not more.
 

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Devildoc,

LOL, but the Marine in my SF Engineer (demo) course had problems with math. He barely passed the first day math test, made it all the way thru the next 59 days only to fail the final examine. I think we started off with 25 students and graduated 7.
 
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