According to the latest VA IG report that these issues, secret lists are VA wide not just in AZ. So how are the other VAs finding out about how to create and use these list? It is not the doctors, it is the administrations that work within the VA system. These administrators have figured different ways to game the system so they can get their bonus regardless of how it affects the vets. These minions need to be put in jail when the IG/ congress identifies illegal activity or other wrong doing on their part. (I know they need to go through the legal system) - but I'm not sure the Department Of Justice will do anything. What do you think?