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I am thanking you for helping me with this investigations. I am seeking informations on this ammunitions and the devices designed to use it. I am investigations this for the investment companies that I am employed by for the purpose of determining the suitability of making an capital loan to a small American fire arms manufacturer.

Any informations that you can pass to me preferably in German, French, or Flemish would be very much appreciated.

Petra Von Himmel
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:) It is best to read all the "stickys" at the top of the subforums. They give a good overview of the 5.7x28 round. They are in English...sorry.
There is a lot of info so take your time and read....read...read...

Maybe some other members from different countries could help you out. They might chime in soon. :?
 

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Is this something like 'use search' that I hear elsewheres? I use search but find nothing about the questions I searched for. This is why I ask this question.

The informations in the 'stickies' is not what I am seeking neither. I am seeking datas on the ammunitions for a cost-benefit analysis to determine if this is a weapons that is likely to be profitable for the borrower. I do not care what the ammunitions is capable of or what it does I have never even shoots a weapon, but what I cares about is to know if there is suffecient prospects for return on our investments.
 

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Greetings... Someone gave me a bit more info on what you are trying to do.

Honestly - it almost sounds like you want a business plan, or sales numbers on 5.7 ammo. I don't think you'll find that on any internet discussion forum - especially in the languages you are requesting.

I will say that FN is selling quite a few PS90s., and the PS90 and Five Seven handgun are pretty popular here. Everyone always hopes for other firearms to come out that would make use of this round.

Fn should eventually have a bolt action rifle using the 5.7 round, and there seems to be an aftermarket 5.7 AR15 that will be on the market soon.

If your loan involves a company who would want to make a 5.7x28mm weapon, I think it would be well received by fans of current FN products. It would also make the round more popular by having other alternatives out there.

If you would like, please send me a PM, and I'll provide you with whatever assistance I can.
 

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Yes shipwrecker this is what I was researching. Worldwide sales and interest of a particular ammunitions type so that when doing 'due diligence' for researching this loan I can say to the underwrighters that this is a responsible loan.

What I is looking for was general interest for this ammunitions unfortunately there is little available information worldwide, regardless of languages spoken. Doing research we see that it is nearly 20 year old since inception witch suggests that it has not taken on much interest with goverments which is generally a marker on how the markets receive a new products.

I am usually researching products for the female market as I am myself female but I was assigned this investigation as the two previous male investigators were drunks and womenisers. It was my job to releive them of their charge, in efect to immasculate them and take it over for investigation.

Unfortunately for our prospective clients there is just too little datas here on this forum to show interests for this weapons and ammunitions. Is there another 'forums' that have more participations of an ammunitions specifics natures?

I do not know what you mean of PM as my American language is limited somewhat and my translation program only helps with simple problems.

Tschus!

Petra - DB
 

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PM is a "personal message" - like an e-mail - it is sent thru the forum. On the bottom of this message is 3 buttons. One of them is "PM." It will send a message to me.

There is one other forum - the Five Seven Forum. It is another fan forum. But, neither us nor them will have sales numbers.

We have asked FN how many PS90s have been sold, and they state that this is private information. I would imagine that they would say the same for information on the 5.7x28mm ammo.

Contacting the manufacturer would be your best and only chance at gathering the information you seek.

While it is true that the round is no where near as popular as the 9mm or 45 ACP round. Realize that for civilians in our country - the round has only been available for a few years now. The 2 weapons that shoot it have been on the civilian market for a very short time.

Prior to now, it was only a police and military caliber. And, the more time that goes by, and the more alternatives that we have (other weapons that shoot the caliber), then the more popular it will get.
 

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Wow immasculator, your an investment banker or whatever and you don't know who to use search, use PM, or how to get other info on investment data of a item?

Not to good at your job are you?
 

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Wow immasculator, your an investment banker or whatever and you don't know who to use search, use PM, or how to get other info on investment data of a item?

Not to good at your job are you?
Be nice dude :roll:
 

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My guess would be to contact FN and ask them these questions? Here's link for conact with some e-mails. I'm SURE they wouldn't mind investors asking sales figure questions! http://www.fnmfg.com/contact.htm also check out page 4 of the history... aslo contact here http://www.fnherstal.com/html/Index.htm
Headquarters and international markets :
FN HERSTAL, SA
Voie de Liège 33
B-4040 HERSTAL BELGIUM
Tel : (32 4) 240 81 11
Fax : (32 4) 240 88 99
[email protected]

Tschus to you as well!
 

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Devildoc the name of my bank is Deutsche Bank Gruppe one of the largest banks in the world. Apparently you lack the ability to read and comprehend the simplest little things such as a signature line and this is in your native language. I speak 7 languages and think I am very doing well. I would thank you to keep such aggressive talks to yourselves and instead of being difficult realize that the rest of the world does not speak American englishes.

Our website is http://www.db.com/index.htm?ghpmeta=ENG_deutsch. We have offices in many countries. Here is a article about our bank, mostly true. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Bank

I do not understand the special words you use for abbreviations of terms if that is what you are asking as in my language PM would often mean pre-menstrual (the period of pre-menstrus for several days) how am I to know that some mean 'private message' when in my language it is "Private Nachricht" also known as PN. You can see this my confusion. I know quite well how to use a search function there are just not the answers I was looking to find.

I have ask Fabrique National about sales figures and they supply some very obsurd numbers this is why I am investigations of other sources of datas.

For you to suggest that I am not good at my profession is simply a nasty claim typical of an ego man; especially one with the odor of swine.

It is quite obvious that you are a very closed minded person and hardly worth communications with.
 

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Well, if it helps a buddy and me just spent $700 ea on 2000rds of 5.7x28... they (FN) are the ONLY manufactures of this ammo... I wish it wasn't so, but to say the least, until another manufacturer steps in, FN owns the ammo market on th 5.7x28... and reloading is a little difficult as there is not much support for individual bullets at that 20-30grn weight.
 

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Immasculator, This is my own opinion but I believe the 5.7x28 round is a big winner and will be around for a long time. It is much better then the 9mm which I think it will eventually overtake in sales... someday. I think it is a perfect time to invest in a company that is producing or is going to produce this round. I think it is the ground floor and the only way to go is up. :shock:
 

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immasculator : I know several people at Deutsche Bank over in the UK and Germany. What commerical banking division are you in? What data bank are you using to help you gather you financial statements and sales figures? I think your approach on how you are forming your financial analysis might be wrong.
 

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I work from the 60262 Frankfurt (Main) building in Frankfurt. I am assigned research investigations for little businesses.

The models I am seeking show a trend in the American markets towards a particular products; I do not decide which informations to gather that is what the math and statistical specialist does. I think they called 'statistician' who understand the market for a product. I get what they ask for. So far there is no big call for this ammunitions like the 'Dirty Henry' gun that American is famous for.

I am little partner for this and have only been with Deutschebank for 2 years but hope to move up to middle rank in 3 or more. I attended gymnasium with the nice woman I work for nows daughter this is how I get the position I have.

So far this be is an extremely hard product to research not like vitamin wasser and dite snack food! A very hard challenge.
 

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I work from the 60262 Frankfurt (Main) building in Frankfurt. I am assigned research investigations for little businesses.
Whats your direct office phone number or office number and extention, including country code.
Also, you never told me what data bank you are using.
Every commercial bank employee from Deutsche bank has access to one. Which one are you using for your information?

If I get some free time, I will call you and help you with you information analysis.
 

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So far there is no big call for this ammunitions like the 'Dirty Henry' gun that American is famous for.
...gymnasium ...
So far this be is an extremely hard product to research not like vitamin wasser and dite snack food! A very hard challenge.
First... I believe you're talking about Dirty Harry... however, I suppose Henry was pretty dirty too... :D
For the guys on this side of the lake, Gymnasium (not the work-out gym guys... pronounced with a hard G as in Gimp) is like the smart highschool college, not a university... more like a prep school for profesionals... Germany schools subdivide growing kids on certain skills and trades... and brain power... a metal worker is a craft and will not go to Gymnasium. Am I right on this? I dated a girl oseveral months who was in Gym when I was in Mannheim.

Vitamin Wasser here in the USA? Certainly not the bubbling carbonated water! Stick with the Propel, Gatorade types... we hates carbonated water without anything sweet in it!
 

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immasculator said:
I work from the 60262 Frankfurt (Main) building in Frankfurt. I am assigned research investigations for little businesses.
Whats your direct office phone number or office number and extention, including country code.
Also, you never told me what data bank you are using.
Every commercial bank employee from Deutsche bank has access to one. Which one are you using for your information?

If I get some free time, I will call you and help you with you information analysis.
What is your direct phone number or office number and extention including area code? What is your address. I tell you mine, tell me yours.

Also, you never told me what company you are using.

This hole line of questioning is weird. First you ask where I work and I tell you then you want my phone number. This is reminding me very much of police bolatin to be aware of sexual predaters in action.

Does this internet sight be aware of your activities?

I have nothing to do with this sight anymore, you are scary people. The last thing I want is to have some purvurt come to my place of arbeiten and try to sexual me especialy a purvurt with a gun.
 

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Ok - that is enough. For you to be who you claim you are - why would be a bank employee, researching information for investments, name themselves "immasculator?" While I did check your IP address, and it seems to come from where you say it does, your behavior here is extremely peculiar.

Why I could possibly understand your last post - wandering why someone wants your phone number - the truth is that I have been bombarded with messages from members here on the site - no one believes that you are here for the reasons you state you are. I think that is why everyone is asking the questions that they are.

If you cause is legitimate, then I would have welcomed you here - and initially, I was very happy to have you here. However - I no longer believe you are who you say you are either.

If you were - you would know that if FN, the SOLE largescale maker of 5.7 ammo, would be the only place to get the information you seek. If they wouldn't give it to you, you certainly aren't going to get it from here - a fan based site.

So, I think it is time you move along....
 
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