Mad-o-Vic said:
uhh Im sorry Thermallator, im not used to NFA rules, sorry im from another country; In my country is forbiden to shorten the barrel so I gess that speak about the full auto conversion was allowed.
I imagined something like that, due to the lack of the full auto posts.
(but I see a lot of webs not banned that talks about mechanisms of conversion for the glock and so on, I mean that do an exersise of imagination is not forbiden , only the facts no...???)
Sorry again...
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No Problem Mad-o-Vic. I will explain something about the USA to you.
In USA, you are allowed to purchase fully automatic weapons, suppressors and shorten the barrel, provided that you have it done by a qualified class III manufacturer (gunsmith), submit yourself to finger prints, FBI background check and pass. Many socialist states do not allow any of this such as California, New York etc - but the federal laws do not prohibit this.
Academic discussions are allowed and information pursuant to fully automatic weapons and their operation is also widely available.
The problem with the PS90 is that it was that sears or receivers were not imported prior to 1986 and thus no CIVILIAN will EVER own one in fully automatic.
Such is not the case with AR15 and variants and HK94 .. and so on. I could understand the discussion (not just academic) of converting one of those, simply because a Citizen may own the registered sear or register receiver. In such a case, a qualified class III gunsmith may convert a semi auto HK94 for example given that the customer has a registered sear that was made for the HK family of trigger packs.
As we know that there are no registered packs, sears or receivers of the P90/PS90 family of firearms, the ATF may construe any discussion academic or otherwise as an attempt to convert a semi-automatic carbine into a fully automatic one. While they would fail in court and justice would prevail, no-one wishes to incur the legal expenses of ones defense in ones intent in the court of law - simply because once the ATF decides to pursue a course of action (with unlimited funds) into the criminal arena - it is very difficult to shake them off and very costly to vindicate one self.
Furthermore, I do not know the integrity of any of the posters here. Should any of the members decide to follow through on the posted "academic" discussion and convert one (there is no legal way to do this), I am sure that this discussion forum would be subject to a subpoena.
If you consider that the State of California just sued the auto-manufacturers for polluting the air, it is not inconceivable for any liberal bent prosecutor to throw this forum under the bus and file criminal charges against the owner/operator of this board for allowing such "academic" discussions to take place.
It is always the purview of the Liberal in this country that the perpetrator of any crime (although guilty) has only committed such actions because he was subverted by such things as guns, forums and other forms of free speech. Hence, the guilt of the perpetrator is not focal to the individual and their actions, it extends to the manufacturer, seller, hoster and perhaps even the bed they have slept in.
Hence, today, the country is broken up into two ideologically warring factions. The Americans (true American, aka Conservatives) that adhere to the constitution and do not have alternate decipher for the content to suit their fancy or promulgate a political agenda. The Anti-Americans (Socialist aka Liberal) that like to change the constitution to suit their ill behavior of today(Clinton receiving a blow job under the presidental desk) do not take responsibility for their actions and blame all evil on inanimate objects, their manufacturers or simply their poor upbringing making their behavior not their fault.
And since Liberals believe that they are in essence not responsible for their actions, all methods and tools of temptation must be removed so that the socialists may live in peace and harmony. This is directly contrasted by the Conservative camp, that believes each person and that person alone is responsible for their actions and should any deranged individual threaten my life, I'm within reason allowed to use deadly force to defend my life, the life of my family and others. In some states, this extends to property as well.
And so, while free speech is codified in the constitution, the Socialists will twist and construe the true meaning of the word and use any means at every opportunity to criminalize it. Such tool/means may be frivolous criminal trials of free men who simply discuss such matters as you have proposed - so that they serve as a deterrent and an example to others that such activities will lead to jail time. If one is as to be so unlucky to get a Liberal Prosecutor and a Liberal Ludge, it would take a miracle to prove your intent was not to manufacture a fully automatic weapon.
The reason for that is the fact that most Liber judges are activist judges. This means that they wish to obstruct and change the constitution and create "mens-rea" pursuant to firearms offenses so that such convictions may be used in future prosecutions as an established precedent.
I hope you have found this brief explanation both educational and entertaining.
Cheers,
-TH