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Yeah, you all read it right. My question is if once I convert my PS90 to a SBR, can I buy a regular length barrel and convert it back if I happen to be stationed in a state (God forbid) that doesn't allow SBRs? What's my best option for this?
 

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I believe it will still be registered as an SBR even if you put the 16" barrel back on it. Once it gets marked it stays marked. You might have to check with the local police chief to see if it would be allowed with the longer barrel but.... ?? Good Luck. (Just don't SBR it) I like mine the way it is. :shock:
 

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Once it is SBRed, it is still registered as an SBR even if you switch back to a longer barrel. The only way to have it not be an SBR is to notify the ATF that it has been physically converted back to a long barreled rifle and request that it be removed from the register. You do not get your $200 back.

That being said, I have no idea how a state that doesn't allow SBR's will treat a rifle that is legally registered as an SBR but physically is not. I could see it going either way. You might ask at one of the NFA boards, try www.silencertests.com.
 

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That being said, I have no idea how a state that doesn't allow SBR's will treat a rifle that is legally registered as an SBR but physically is not.
I bet no one else knows either, because I bet that the situation has never come up before. I do think that it would be hard to get a conviction if the rifle is displayed in court with a proper measuring rod.

Under federal law, it is still a SBR, and would be even if the barrel were removed from the receiver.

Sounds like a terrible waste of taxpayer's money to argue this one in court. I am glad that I don't have to worry about that situation. :?
 

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I think you're overlooking the obvious here.

As a registered SBR, you'll need an approved Form 5320 to travel interstate with it in order to even get to your new state of residence, however NFA Branch will not approve any 5320 where possession of an SBR would be in violation of the destination state's laws.

Without an approved 5320, you cannot leave the state with your SBR.
 

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Abiqua14 said:
That being said, I have no idea how a state that doesn't allow SBR's will treat a rifle that is legally registered as an SBR but physically is not.
If you have to move to and live in a state that doesn't allow SBR's, you'll either have to sell that SBR or bring the barrel length to at least 16 inches. One way to do that on a PS90 SBR is to replace the P90-style flash hider with an adapter with 1/2"x28 threads. Once you get that adapter, you can get a 1/2"x28 to 24x1.5mm adapter and use one of those fake Krinkov PBS-5 suppressors to bring the barrel to legal length for that state. Of course, don't forget to notify the ATF that your PS90 is no longer a SBR.
 

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The_Real_McCoy said:
Abiqua14 said:
That being said, I have no idea how a state that doesn't allow SBR's will treat a rifle that is legally registered as an SBR but physically is not.
If you have to move to and live in a state that doesn't allow SBR's, you'll either have to sell that SBR or bring the barrel length to at least 16 inches. One way to do that on a PS90 SBR is to replace the P90-style flash hider with an adapter with 1/2"x28 threads. Once you get that adapter, you can get a 1/2"x28 to 24x1.5mm adapter and use one of those fake Krinkov PBS-5 suppressors to bring the barrel to legal length for that state. Of course, don't forget to notify the ATF that your PS90 is no longer a SBR.
Official notification to NFA Branch that it's no longer an SBR is definitely NOT the afterthought, it's the single biggest factor in the equation. The physical transformation to 16" is the easy part, but if it hasn't been re-papered back to a Title I firearm, then the act of moving it across state lines without 5320 approval is a felony.
 

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And if you do have it removed from the register and have it converted back into a Title I firearm, you DON"T get your $200 back AND you have to file another Form 1 and pay ANOTHER $200 to make it an SBR again.
 

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Abiqua14 said:
And if you do have it removed from the register and have it converted back into a Title I firearm, you DON"T get your $200 back AND you have to file another Form 1 and pay ANOTHER $200 to make it an SBR again.
There's no other option if he wants to take the firearm with him.
 

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Convert SBR to Regular length

Hi, I was intereted in the same thing. I talked to ATF (NFA branch) today and this is what I found out. If you use a different reciever for the conversion and then just use your take down button to switch back and forth you are absolutely ok. Agent said it was the same as changing uppers on your AR15. I plan to do this now after my discussion with the NFA agent. If you use the same reciever and switch out just the barrel or move to a state where the SBR is no longer legal, the notification to ATF process must be followed. thanks
 

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Re: Convert SBR to Regular length

munch18 said:
Hi, I was intereted in the same thing. I talked to ATF (NFA branch) today and this is what I found out. If you use a different reciever for the conversion and then just use your take down button to switch back and forth you are absolutely ok. Agent said it was the same as changing uppers on your AR15. I plan to do this now after my discussion with the NFA agent. If you use the same reciever and switch out just the barrel or move to a state where the SBR is no longer legal, the notification to ATF process must be followed. thanks
You're absolutly right, however, the second reciever would have to be registered with the NFA, and with respect to the original point of the thread, ATF would not approve a 5320.20 for change of address to any state that prohibits the registration or ownership of SBR's.

I also put another post up elsewhere about converting an NFA SBR back to a Title 1 firearm. Here is the link:

http://www.ps90forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5128

That is straight from those who have sex with bats, hope it's helpful.

Gregg
 

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Yes, you wrote this and you were incorrect.


gregg877 wrote:
As far as unregistering it, once the reciever is an NFA item, it is that way forever, and is subject to all of the rules regarding out of state transit, transfer of posession, and posession, so there is no registering and unregistering the reciever no matter what barrel it has. The only way that will satisfy the ATF that it is no longer an NFA item is if you furnish proof that it is destroyed. Sounds drastic, but that was straight from an examiner at the NFA, and a local agent at the Boston Field Office.



Then this was added by another forum member

The examiner you spoke with and your local field agent may want to review http://www.atf.gov/firearms/nfa/nfa_handbook/chapter2.pdf

Quote:
Section 2.5 Removal of firearms from the scope of the NFA by modification/elimination of
components.
Firearms, except machineguns and silencers, that are subject to the NFA fall within the various
definitions due to specific features. If the particular feature that causes a firearm to be regulated by the
NFA is eliminated or modified, the resulting weapon is no longer an NFA weapon.


When I initially called the ATF I was told a couple different things by different people that do not specialize in NFA items...when I pressed the subject and was sent to an NFA specialist I got good information and felt confident enough in the answer to move forward with my project. Let's all try not to pass on poor/incorrect information to limit confusion in an already confusing area of our hobbies!!
 
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