[Buffman]

I'll preface my post by stating that the owners manual does not warranty against an issue if caused by the use of reloaded/remanufactured ammunition.

With that said, there are some of us out there who want more variety in the 5.7 loads. Some of us can reload, and there's some who can't (me). I came across R&R on a gunbroker search, as Elite's ammo supply has been very scarce lately.

R&R is an FFL07/02SOT. R&R loads all of their 5.7 ammo on a single stage press for maximum QC. They have currently 3 loads and growing. I did a review on their on two of their products..

 

[Hank Hill]

The other day i saw your video and checked them out. They're pricey compared to Elite ammo. I think https://cuttingedgebullets.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?search=action&category=C224 this is the round they used. I wish FN would make different types of factory ammo or help design different ones. Thanks for the videos buffman.

 

[Buffman]

They are. Then again EA does have the quantity over R&R since I believe EA uses a multistage press. I know EA has big things coming down the pipe, but I would agree that FN definitely needs to stop being pusses and sell more varieties of 5.7x28mm ammo.

 

[vz58kid]

Great tests, seems both are better than SS 198! How do you think the 30gr. black tip compares to SS 190?

Thank's

 

[Hank Hill]

I would rather buy fn ammo though, I shoot reloads for other calibers but this one seems too finicky. Fn does need to stand behind the caliber. I've prolly put less than 1000 rounds through that gun and I've had it for 3 years.

 

[Tuscany]

Awesome. Thanks Buffman.

I wish FN would produce other ammo for the 5.7 platform. I'm not interested in a $1300 paper weight so it's all factory ammo for me at this point.

 

[Troublesx10]

I would like to know if anyone has seen this, any experience with these, know anything about t he company. Looks like the round from ea!!!! Please reply, if tested, or not---- perhaps soon?

5.7x28 Vanguard V57 Prime ammunition - 25 rnds : Pistol Ammunition at GunBroker.com

 

[vz58kid]

Been wondering about that ammo also!

 

[Troublesx10]

Anyone??

 

[Buffman]

Great tests, seems both are better than SS 198! How do you think the 30gr. black tip compares to SS 190?

Thank's

SS190 would outperform these in pure soft armor penetration. I'd like to do more testing on these before I would say either way. I really want to step up to clear gel just need the $$$ around to do it.

 

[vz58kid]

I would be scared of Voiding my warranty on such an exp. gun! But I do also see VBR ammo on gunbroker and I wonder if it is also considered "Reloads"? Any idea how good VBR is?

Thank's

 

[Buffman]

I would like to know if anyone has seen this, any experience with these, know anything about t he company. Looks like the round from ea!!!! Please reply, if tested, or not---- perhaps soon?

5.7x28 Vanguard V57 Prime ammunition - 25 rnds : Pistol Ammunition at GunBroker.com

Interesting, wonder if they'd let me test them. Curious as to the copper they're using.

 

[Troublesx10]

Interesting, wonder if they'd let me test them. Curious as to the copper they're using.

Do it-- that would be great!!! Much cheaper than t6, and heavier bullet too

 

[jhs27275]

I do also see VBR ammo on gunbroker and I wonder if it is also considered "Reloads"?

Yes..

 

[vz58kid]

So sadly, it seems any "HOT" 5.7 ammo is considered Reloads?

 

[jhs27275]

So sadly, it seems any "HOT" 5.7 ammo is considered Reloads?

Because it is. They get the "new" brass by taking apart FN rounds then reloading it.

 

[HK SD9 Tactical]

So sadly, it seems any "HOT" 5.7 ammo is considered Reloads?

It has nothing to do with it being "HOT" ammo. It has everything to do with the brass being worked during the loading process. Any time you take apart a round and make a new round with it by changing components, you are re-loading ammunition.

Others may dis-agree because other brass is worked several times before it is sold on the market as "virgin brass" but the brass has never been loaded, so the primer pockets are unused and the case mouth has never been glued or crimped, the shoulder on the brass (if it has one) and the case mouth has never been stressed (like it is when you take apart a 5.7X28mm round).

So look at it this way, if you seat a new tire on a new wheel but do not drive on it and then remove the tire from the wheel, is it a new or used tire? Is it a new wheel or a used wheel? I would venture a guess and say that if you were buying the tire/wheel, you would consider it used.

 

[vz58kid]

So why don't some Co like EA buy or make the brass and that would make it new ammo and not void the warranty?

Thank's

 

[HK SD9 Tactical]

So why don't some Co like EA buy or make the brass and that would make it new ammo and not void the warranty?

Thank's

Well, first you have to be able to find a brass maker that is willing to re-tool to make the brass. At one time, Starline (as I recall based on second or third hand info) was looking at that but the price was going to be so outrageous that you might as well have bought new rounds. You also have to look at the general consensus that this is a very finicky round to load and people, even some of the most seasoned re-loaders, will not touch these loads. Then you have to look at demand and demand for 5.7 brass is not like it is for say 9mm or 5.56 or 308 or 45 or whatever. This brass also has a proprietary coating on it that aids in the extraction process so this is an issue as well. The rounds are also glued into the brass using a proprietary adhesive. So it is always cost vs potential profit. Did you also note the proprietary, proprietary, proprietary, proprietary, as well?

FN does not recommend that this round be reloaded and because they use proprietary powder in the manufacture of their rounds, they are not going to sell the brass to anyone except their certified loaders.

Yes, I would love to have 10K of "virgin" brass but it just ain't going to happen any time soon.

 

[vz58kid]

SO I guess they FNH have the Market locked up as far as I am concerned, but hopefully I will soon find some SS 190 at a decent price!