[baka-san]

I am thinking in a year or so(after the SCAR light, thats what I'm saving up for now) of getting a full auto. I know I will need tax stamp, and I know that will take a while, so mods, not asking for anything illegal. I like the old stuff, so I thought maybe a Sten, but just want to waste a little time right now and I like to here what you have to say.

Thanks

 

[Texas Armadillo]

I hope you find a good deal on one. I would rather have 20 $1000.00 guns than 1 $20,000.00 gun.

 

[baka-san]

from what I've seen, it is in the $4000 to $5000 range for a good working model Sten, they made so many of them.

 

[Texas Armadillo]

I didn't know they were that cheap. Cool.

Have you drooled over this page yet?

http://www.autoweapons.com/products/products.html

Here's a price guide that may help in your search.

http://www.machinegunpriceguide.com/index.htm

 

[CriticalDimensions]

Look into the H&R Model 50 & 55 Reising .45acp SMG's.

 

[BreakerDave]

The "select fire" stuff is neat, but pricey. Even if someone gave you the firearm for free, they go through ammo so quickly that they really are an expensive indulgence. A friend once told me, "It's an expensive hog to feed..."

If you want one, you have the cash, and you live in a state that permits them, you might as well buy one before you get anything else. The prices for transferable select fire guns generally increase over time.

Look at: http://www.sturmgewehr.com/

There is a good NFA section there for transferable items.

 

[fatcat]

If you want a 9mm sub gun thats low cost the M-11/9 or the MAC-10/9 is as good as you can get. There very reliable, there small and you can do just about anything with them.

LOTS of parts, conversion kits, slowfire kits, .22 conversion units and updated parts everywhere for them.

I would say an M-11/9 over a MAC-10/9 because the mags are cheaper $19 for zytel and 23 for converted PAM steel mags. The MAC-10/9 DF mags are anywhere from 50-120 each.

Only trouble ive ever had with mine is keeping it fed as they are fast.. 1200-1400 RPM is about avg on them and with a can its even faster.

Currently there avg price is $3,000 up but sometimes you can find them for $2,800.

Uzi's are another good one, you can find them for $7,000 up. There a pleasure to shoot, parts everywhere, slower rate of fire, cheap well made mags and they just work. Get a registered receiver if you ever want to use any of the .22 kits.

Stens are good guns, shoot well but not much in way of what you can do with them other than the rare 7.62X25 kits that are awfull to fire. The mags are CHEAP 3-10 bucks but Super hard to load since there single feed.

Or just go all out and get an M-16. There most fun you can have with your pants on... and sometimes more.. starting at $10,000 But sadly.. worth it.

Dont expect to get away cheap with any full auto now matter how little you pay for it... Once you get them you will want Tons of mags, a can, spare parts, new uppers, optics, stocks, refinishing, extra barrels, shirts, hats shoes, bottle openers, posters, mag pouches and oh yeah.. copious amounts of ammo! You get straaange looks when you go to Walmart and the guy asks how much 9mm do you want? and you say All of it.. And do you have any more in the back?

Buy them while you still can...

Want to know anything else you can ask here or PM me. Or head over to Uzitalks MAC forums.

http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=82

 

[Erica_the_Red]

Even when Uncle Sam was paying for the ammunition, I always thought that FA weapons were just a waste of money...until I shot a P90.
I'm still trying to find a legal way to own my own. Our Department has three on order and one is mine, but I still want my own.
What I wouldn't give to get that stupid 'pre-86' ban lifted!

 

[coldair]

cops have all the fun

 

[baka-san]

Thanks Fatcat, if I go for a M10/11 I can replay the scene from Miami Vice with the mannequins. Want a sub, my local range only has one full auto lane and it is at 10 yards for safety reasons.

 

[ShipWreck]

Hey - I bounced this thread to the NFA section...

 

[fatcat]

You will find Richard Lage has a HUGE following with us Mac owners.. And with good reason.

He has made some of the best M-11 and MAC-10 stuff ever. He has a loooong waiting list but its worth it. Im on the list for his MAX-11, the upper shown on his homepage.

http://www.max-11.com/

It can slow or speed the rate of fire with just swaping out a weight, it turns a bullet hose into a subgun thats winning competitions. He is also going to produce a quality .22 kit that he is just working the bugs out of now.

While its still very fun to empty a 32 round mag in 1.3 seconds with the stock upper after shooting one of his uppers I had to have one.

 

[workingman1976]

Even when Uncle Sam was paying for the ammunition, I always thought that FA weapons were just a waste of money...until I shot a P90.
I'm still trying to find a legal way to own my own. Our Department has three on order and one is mine, but I still want my own.
What I wouldn't give to get that stupid 'pre-86' ban lifted!

erica get a FFL, and a SOT and get your dept. to purchase the firearms from you, and you`ll have your own p-90 if you have the shop in your house :?

 

[Erica_the_Red]

erica get a FFL, and a SOT and get your dept. to purchase the firearms from you, and you`ll have your own p-90 if you have the shop in your house :?

Sweetie, I thought about doing something like that, but they expect you to actually 'do business' and I have no intentions of manufacturing or selling. Besides, my department has already purchased their weapons.
I wonder though...could one become a QA inspector for an ammunition manufacturer and still fall under the rules? I need to research that!

 

[workingman1976]

that is something I wouldnt know sorry

 

[Erica_the_Red]

The only way I could do that is if I WERE an ammunition manufacturer. I could do my own QA testing.
That totally sucks.

 

[wlcohen]

Problem with waiting over a year from now to get a full auto is with pres obama you will not be able to.

I would even be leery of spending the money for one now if the law is changed completely and they take the ones people have.

 

[TooTall]

Problem with waiting over a year from now to get a full auto is with pres obama you will not be able to.

I would even be leery of spending the money for one now if the law is changed completely and they take the ones people have.

I recently attended a FA shoot in Albany, OR, and I asked one of the organizers there if he sees people buying FA as an investment.
Up until now, FA have risen in price to stupid levels.
He said that the concern of a law change destroying the value is a constant concern, and that the values have leveled out or dropped slightly recently.