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One of the great things about the FNX/FNP tactical handguns is that they are optics ready. So a common question is "What MOA?" "Which one, LED or Dual?"

It seems that the general opinions, reading previous posts, are the following.

MOA
  • >7 is great for target acquisition but is not meant for surgical precision.
  • <7 a bit harder to pick up but great for precision.

LED vs Dual
  • Dual
    • Smallest MOA is 7.
    • Only reticle colors are Green and Amber.
    • Option of a triangle reticle.
    • Reticle washes out when target is in a brighter location than the location of the actual sight.
    • Tritium has a half life of 12 years so the pitch black brightness of the reticle will degrade to about half in 12 years.
    • No batteries needed.


  • LED
    • Regular model auto-adjusts to ambient light. Might be good for some but other like the adjustable ones in case the auto-adjust is too dim or too bright.
    • Batteries need to be replaced every 2 years or so. Most people just replace the batteries on their birthdays.
    • Minimal wash if any. Red reticle really pops out.
    • A good range of MOA from as low as 1 up to 6.5.

Links to other posts:
http://fnforum.net/forums/fn-fnx/48619-trijicon-rmr.html
http://fnforum.net/forums/fn-fnx/47909-fnx-tactical-rmr-oprions.html
http://fnforum.net/forums/fn-fnx/36497-what-s-best-rmr-x45-tactical.html
http://fnforum.net/forums/fn-fnx/66229-fnx-45t-optic.html

Personal opinion:
I just received the RM04 and for some reason the wash out does bother me. I grabbed my tavor which has a Mepro 21 and started pointing both the tavor and FNX to different targets in well lit areas from a dark area in my house. The mepro21 did not wash as bad as the rm04. I basically had to point the mepro21 at a light bulb and the reticle was still a bit visible. Pointing the RM04 close to the light did have some pretty nasty wash out. In all honesty though, in a night type of scenario iron sight would probably be the way to go, but I still don't know what to make of it. Might get the RM01 or RM06, but looking at the RM06 I am not a huge fan of the location of the brightness buttons. Feel free to add more and I will try to add it up here so it is easy to find.
 

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And what was that title supposed to read?
 

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Cleaned the title up some. :?
 

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Cleaned the title up some. :?
Cool, thanks.

I just ordered an RM06 in FDE to see how it compares to the RM04. I'll post what I find but I am pretty sure it is going to match what others have said already. The only thing I am a bit worried about is that the RM06 seems to have had issues back in the day but hopefully they have been fixed by now. People have reported flicker, dimming, and complete shutoff. :-(
 

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I have a rm02 and it's awesome, I think it's underated. I might have to sell it soon due to having our first child but will buy another one when feasible
 

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I have a rm02 and it's awesome, I think it's underated. I might have to sell it soon due to having our first child but will buy another one when feasible
How do you like the auto-dim? Does it do a decent job at guessing what dot intensity you might need?
 

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I bought the dual illumination and found it to be unacceptable for HD/indoors going from bright to dark areas. Had the green triangle which was beautiful WHEN it was lit enough. Went with the rm06 (adjustable 6.5) and absolutely LOVE IT. Besides being bright enough, the auto adjust is AMAZING. I saw they just came out with a 1 MOA dot for the adjustable LED and if you think you need that level of precision go for it. I can consistently hit the bullseye at 40 feet with my 6.5 MOA dot so I don't think I'd need a smaller dot unless I mounted it on my rifle but I won't be doing that. Anyhow, my $0.02 is the RM06 is definitely good to go. Dot is definitely NOT too large- seems to be a perfect size cover for the front dot to me. My only regret is never testing the non-adjustable LED.
 

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I have the RM01, I haven't had any problem with the intensity of the dot and have used in bright sunlight to darkness. I like simplicity so went with 01 over the 06 I didn't believe I needed the adjustable intensity. I also thought 3.25 was the right size for me. I know I wouldn't want the dot smaller but the 6.5 could be faster to pick up although I have no problem picking up the 3.25 quickly. Comes down to personal preference IMO.

 

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I bought the dual illumination and found it to be unacceptable for HD/indoors going from bright to dark areas. Had the green triangle which was beautiful WHEN it was lit enough. Went with the rm06 (adjustable 6.5) and absolutely LOVE IT. Besides being bright enough, the auto adjust is AMAZING. I saw they just came out with a 1 MOA dot for the adjustable LED and if you think you need that level of precision go for it. I can consistently hit the bullseye at 40 feet with my 6.5 MOA dot so I don't think I'd need a smaller dot unless I mounted it on my rifle but I won't be doing that. Anyhow, my $0.02 is the RM06 is definitely good to go. Dot is definitely NOT too large- seems to be a perfect size cover for the front dot to me. My only regret is never testing the non-adjustable LED.
I'm sorry for the typo: I have the RM07 (not the RM06 as I mentioned above). :\\/: Idiot.
 

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I actually do wish I would have tested the RM01, it seems to be the most "simple" of the two LED options.

That looks really good Smurky.
 

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I got to say I like the RM06 dot a lot better. I was able to shine my TLR 1 and I was still able to see the dot. The adjusting LED is cool but I definitely think the auto (RM01) is probably enough. Now I just hope I don't have any issues with the random dimming and shutting off.
 

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Looks really good! :th_thumbsup:


I got to say I like the RM06 dot a lot better. I was able to shine my TLR 1 and I was still able to see the dot. The adjusting LED is cool but I definitely think the auto (RM01) is probably enough. Now I just hope I don't have any issues with the random dimming and shutting off.
 

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I bought the dual illumination and found it to be unacceptable for HD/indoors going from bright to dark areas. Had the green triangle which was beautiful WHEN it was lit enough. Went with the rm06 (adjustable 6.5) and absolutely LOVE IT. Besides being bright enough, the auto adjust is AMAZING. I saw they just came out with a 1 MOA dot for the adjustable LED and if you think you need that level of precision go for it. I can consistently hit the bullseye at 40 feet with my 6.5 MOA dot so I don't think I'd need a smaller dot unless I mounted it on my rifle but I won't be doing that. Anyhow, my $0.02 is the RM06 is definitely good to go. Dot is definitely NOT too large- seems to be a perfect size cover for the front dot to me. My only regret is never testing the non-adjustable LED.
Ive got a RM08G i find it adequate indoors, the entire window is small enough indoors to put the goblin in the window with any reasonably close pistol stance and your getting centermass hits at indoor range distance. I treat it as a giant ghost ring

At first i was put off by it but its performance outdoors in daylight is astounding. Since most self defense is quick and your typically not using sights i dont feel the rmo8 is a disadvantage in backlit situations.
 

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Since most self defense is quick and your typically not using sights i dont feel the rmo8 is a disadvantage in backlit situations.
Do you happen to have a link to this study? It sounds like not aiming is for a scenario where you are most likely going to either fight for weapon retention or it is really going to be a "from the hip" cowboy shot. I just didn't like the fact that shinning a light on the target washes the reticle out, maybe the green is a bit better though, I don't know.
 

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Do you happen to have a link to this study? It sounds like not aiming is for a scenario where you are most likely going to either fight for weapon retention or it is really going to be a "from the hip" cowboy shot. I just didn't like the fact that shinning a light on the target washes the reticle out, maybe the green is a bit better though, I don't know.
Look up point shooting or combat shooting, the us army used to teach it in 1911 pistol training in the 30's and 40's. If you have ever experienced life or death adrenaline dump your body and mind loses fine motor skills and relies on gross motor skills and muscle memmory. Its why you read stories of police and military in combat dumping rounds into bad guys a few feet away and getting very few hits for lots of rounds.

But what im talking about is not "shooting from the hip" you do not need any sights to get hits on a goblin at self defense range if you use any reasonable 2 hand grip.

This doesnt mean my choice is good for you. I know what happens with that adrenaline dump and how i react to it. Its why i took up cowboy action shooting. I would prefer 3 gun but the 3gun groups in my area are all chock full of douchebags. Next best thing is cas. My goal is to turn pointing a gun puling a trigger and getting hits into muscle memmory while doing it under pressure. If i get that life or death adrenaline hit again i want that ability to be muscle memmory.

As for the green if i had to do over i would go with the biggest moa red dot rmr i could. Ill get one at somepoint and put the green on a hunting rifle or maybe my ruger takedown.
 
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