[Rafiki721]

So I’m not sure if it this belongs here but this seemed like the most fitting for this question.
Why are accessories and parts not any cheaper then they were first building them? And why doesn’t another company specifically manufacture different scar parts and receivers upper/lower and stuff like that and sell it for cheaper so then making the scar more viable? Is there lawsuits waiting to happen if they do or is it too expensive to mass produce or something? What is stopping a company from doing that?

 

[Ex-Racer / Ex-Pat]

Here you go... https://www.mississippiautoarms.com/cz-805-bren-s1-carb-556nato-30rd-fde

Sorry, couldn't resist it.

 

[Twistedracer]

Here you go... CZ 805 Bren S1 Carbine 556 NATO - FDE

Sorry, couldn't resist it.

The Scar alternative.
I looked at these on and off for sometime trying to decide which way I wanted to go. Didn’t go that way 😂

 

[Ex-Racer / Ex-Pat]

The Scar alternative.
I looked at these on and off for sometime trying to decide which way I wanted to go. Didn’t go that way 😂

To be honest, I wouldn't mind owning one. However, anyone that thinks it is going to replace one of the SCAR's is dreaming...

 

[Twistedracer]

To be honest, I wouldn't mind owning one. However, anyone that thinks it is going to replace one of the SCAR's is dreaming...

I kept looking at the Bren2 in 7.62x39. Still some reliability issues with it unfortunately.

 

[kilyung]

I asked the same thing. I had found that I had accumulated enough spare parts to assemble another SCAR - just needed an upper receiver (unlikely). Sadly SCAR volume is probably not enough volume to offset the expense of making parts except for demand based batches.

I couldn’t get a serialized upper from FN so I bought an aftermarket upper (married it to the aftermarket lower I had) to assemble a SBR clone 17S. Would have been easier to just buy a new SCAR but I already had a lot of money tied up in spare parts laying around unused. If my FN 17S goes down, I have no qualms about scavenging from the clone until I get replacements.

 

[jaflowers]

so I bought an aftermarket upper

I'm assuming the Imperial upper. How do you like it and does it function properly?? Fit/finish up to par?? Thanks

 

[HK SD9 Tactical]

It cost the same amount to cast, machine, form, inject or whatever, any part at whatever time.

FN has you over a barrel as do every other manufacturer of any assembly parts item that is sold as a replacement or spare.

I does not cost FN $300 to machine a bolt, it cost them about $30 (if that). But because you the end user needs it to make your assembled parts kit work, they rape you on the price. I have seen spare parts for FN items sell for astronomical prices for simple profiteering.

And because some firearm parts items are single sourced items, the seller can sell items that cost 5 cents to them but charge $5 to you.

As a comparison, you can buy AR15 parts and assemble all the parts and build a quality AR15 for about the same price as a fully assembled factory built priced one.

Capitalism is what it is but if you want to whine about spare parts costs, get rid of the firearm or whatever item you want to whine about.

You bought it. If it cost you too much to maintain, get rid of it. It is that simple.

 

[kilyung]

I'm assuming the Imperial upper. How do you like it and does it function properly?? Fit/finish up to par?? Thanks

Yes, Imperial. It’s different materials but the fit and finish seem to be equal to FN. Other than barrel length (13” vs 16”), I notice no difference between the clone and FN when firing or handling. Makes sense as everything else is 100% FN.

 

[Rafiki721]

It cost the same amount to cast, machine, form, inject or whatever, any part at whatever time.

FN has you over a barrel as do every other manufacturer of any assembly parts item that is sold as a replacement or spare.

I does not cost FN $300 to machine a bolt, it cost them about $30 (if that). But because you the end user needs it to make your assembled parts kit work, they rape you on the price. I have seen spare parts for FN items sell for astronomical prices for simple profiteering.

And because some firearm parts items are single sourced items, the seller can sell items that cost 5 cents to them but charge $5 to you.

As a comparison, you can buy AR15 parts and assemble all the parts and build a quality AR15 for about the same price as a fully assembled factory built priced one.

Capitalism is what it is but if you want to whine about spare parts costs, get rid of the firearm or whatever item you want to whine about.

You bought it. If it cost you too much to maintain, get rid of it. It is that simple.

Well that’s not my problem at all but in my head I thought if someone wanted to screw with scar market they could machine the same parts and sell them for cheaper as long as they’re good quality right? So if this one company basically makes reliable decently priced scar parts that are good parts, in theory it could drop the market price of it all right so then people can actually buy a scar by building pieces from the company and then maybe more parts will be build for cheaper and same reliability so it would kinda destroy the market and basically monopolize the scar business bc no one else sells the parts cheaper

 

[Rafiki721]

Well that’s not my problem at all but in my head I thought if someone wanted to screw with scar market they could machine the same parts and sell them for cheaper as long as they’re good quality right? So if this one company basically makes reliable decently priced scar parts that are good parts, in theory it could drop the market price of it all right so then people can actually buy a scar by building pieces from the company and then maybe more parts will be build for cheaper and same reliability so it would kinda destroy the market and basically monopolize the scar business bc no one else sells the parts cheaper

I also get its basic business between the consumer and seller but if you wanted to in theory you could couldn’t you?

 

[Twistedracer]

I also get its basic business between the consumer and seller but if you wanted to in theory you could couldn’t you?

Patents could be a reason why they aren’t.

 

[steven.m.shannon]

The biggest reason is probably that the technical data package isn’t in the public domain and so each and every part would have to be reverse engineered for dimensions, finish, material properties, heat treatment, etc., complete with manufacturing tolerances. It’s not enough to simply copy the parts from a few samples because manufacturing tolerances must be managed so that all the parts work together. Then you would have to create a QC program to check all of those properties. Failure to accomplish that will quickly lead to online bashing similar to what happens to companies like Anderson. That expense would have to be included in the sale price of the parts together with the cost of the various machines needed. It’s possible, but I doubt enough of a market exists to justify it, yet.


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[Rafiki721]

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The biggest reason is probably that the technical data package isn’t in the public domain and so each and every part would have to be reverse engineered for dimensions, finish, material properties, heat treatment, etc., complete with manufacturing tolerances. It’s not enough to simply copy the parts from a few samples because manufacturing tolerances must be managed so that all the parts work together. Then you would have to create a QC program to check all of those properties. Failure to accomplish that will quickly lead to online bashing similar to what happens to companies like Anderson. That expense would have to be included in the sale price of the parts together with the cost of the various machines needed. It’s possible, but I doubt enough of a market exists to justify it, yet.


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Okay that would make sense, I thought by now certain parts could be replicated well since it’s been out for so long but I guess no one would actually try figure out all that just for a possibility of it working, thanks for that I was just genuinely wondering why hasn’t anybody don’t this like they’ve done to the ar-15 platform

 

[Rafiki721]

Patents could be a reason why they aren’t.

See I thought it could also be patents as well bc its expensive and only a few companies actually build or sell stuff for the scar

 

[steven.m.shannon]

Okay that would make sense, I thought by now certain parts could be replicated well since it’s been out for so long but I guess no one would actually try figure out all that just for a possibility of it working, thanks for that I was just genuinely wondering why hasn’t anybody don’t this like they’ve done to the ar-15 platform

The TDP is key. For interesting insight into how important the TDP is, read this story. The SCAR is even mentioned toward the end:

Colt M4 Data Rights The Individual Carbine Competition

Guest Article by Daniel E. WattersOn June 14/11, the US Army released a pre-solicitation notice for the procurement of approximately 70,000 to 100,000 M4 and M4A1 carbines in a best value competition (W56HZV-10-R-0593). This represents the first time

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