ok guys I got one of my local gun shops to support the cause of cheaper ammo. Keifer`s Gun shop located at 401 Main Street Walnutport, Pennsylvania 18088,(610) 760-9597, is going to be selling ss197 and ss195 at 19.99 a box, and at 19 a box for 10 boxes or more. So he basically going to be the best price in my area period. All other places are currently charging ruffle 22 a box for ss197 or more due to supply and demand. So guys if your interested in getting ammo at a good price call him up and tell him Eddie told you about the prices. He is currently reordering more ammo in bulk. i just bought alot of his ammo, and I told him my fello forum members always like a good deal on ammo.