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What's the deal? What is the bullet design?
Is it basically the same as AP for the 5.56?
I'm just curious really.
Is it basically the same as AP for the 5.56?
I'm just curious really.
It is currently LEO only and can only be purchased by a department or agency direct from FN.TexasRifleman said:What's the deal?
FMJ, small front hollow cavity, steel cap, aluminum coreTexasRifleman said:What is the bullet design?
Basically but aluminum core instead of lead for half the weightTexasRifleman said:Is it basically the same as AP for the 5.56?
I think you might want to edit your statement there. From what you said, a .22lr is AP :lol:member548 said:I thought any .22 bullet and under, no matter what fired it, or what it was made of was considered AP by the ATF.
member548 said:I thought any .22 bullet and under, no matter what fired it, or what it was made of wasn't considered AP by the ATF. I just thought FN just restricted their own ammo sales to help cool down bad press.
But I'm in no way sure of that.
It's silly anyway, what thug is going to buy a pistol the cost of a FiveSeven anyway?
(edited to fix my mess up)
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Wikipedia says: "The SS190 bullet has a steel penetrator and an aluminum core.""(B) The term `armor piercing ammunition' means-
(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and
which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or
(ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and
intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.
Yeah, it's the same diameter bullet. I use 55 FMJBT for my subsonic reloads.abpt1 said:right above that is
ATF has specifically exempted the following rounds:
5.56 SS109 and M855 NATO rounds, with a steel penetrator tip.
.30-06 M2 AP ammo.
the ss190 is not different at all because it is the same as 5.56 SS109 and M855 :roll: :idea: :arrow:
Frangible said:I've been kicking around the idea of picking up a P90 (I guess I watched too much Stargate... heh) and I was wondering about the ammo situation here, with getting SS190 instead of the civvie stuff.
Legally, you can truly get anything, including new production full autos, if you're a class III dealer (which is very difficult/expensive, but possible).
Anyway, going back to what you cited:
Wikipedia says: "The SS190 bullet has a steel penetrator and an aluminum core.""(B) The term `armor piercing ammunition' means-
(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and
which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or
(ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and
intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.
1. It does not seem to violate part (i) as the core is aluminum, not iron? Is that right?
2. It does not seem to violate part (ii) as it's not greater than .22 caliber. Or is it? 5.7mm = .224". Is the definition here .2200000000"? I don't understand the definition of "larger than .22 caliber".
If it's just a case of FN trying to be politically correct... that would mean without any paperwork or class III stuff you could legally load your own SS190 rounds, or a 3rd party manufacturer could make them, right?
Anyone want to contact the ATF and check for sure? I guess I could![]()
If the law on the books states .22 caliber and not .220000 caliber, it means all the way up to .229999999999999 caliber is considered .22 caliber. The next higher caliber .25 caliber would cover .250000000 thru .25999999999 caliber. However, there was a .23 caliber produced in the early 1900's but I do not think that a .23 caliber is manufactured anymore. I may be wrong (probably am) but looking through most laws on the books, they read as .23 caliber and higher when identifying a round that is larger than .22 caliber.Frangible said:2. It does not seem to violate part (ii) as it's not greater than .22 caliber. Or is it? 5.7mm = .224". Is the definition here .2200000000"? I don't understand the definition of "larger than .22 caliber".
it is to freaks like Sarah Brady...tqtran said:I think you might want to edit your statement there. From what you said, a .22lr is AP :lol:member548 said:I thought any .22 bullet and under, no matter what fired it, or what it was made of was considered AP by the ATF.