[CHICAGO TYPEWRITER]

Does H&K make a UMP 45 in semi auto?
Also dumb question, can LEO’s buy full auto weapons or do they have to buy only registered ones like us civi’s? Can full auto’s only be bought by state and federal governments only?

 

[ShipWreck]

It is my understanding that full auto weapons can only be bought by police departments - and then an officer can have possession of it, but not own it himself. An officer who owns the weapon (that is full auto) must abide by the same rules you and I must - same restrictions...

 

[fatcat]

Our local cops carry UMP's and dont seem to like them that much and H&K will not make them shorter mags no matter how much they ask.

The only way us peeons can get one is a converted UMC the civi version. Ive seen one on here that looks great but I forgot who had it. There is a few places you can buy them converted already as a Short barreled rifle or with a fake supresser. As long as that fake supresser is on there they look ok.

I kick myself for not buying a UMC and an SL8 when they came out for "H$K cheap"...

 

[CHICAGO TYPEWRITER]

How much do they run?

 

[fatcat]

Unconverted anywhere from 1,500 to 1,700 depending on what they come with.

Converted 3,000 up + 200 for tax since its a SBR.

Oh, also the 25 round mags are anywhere from 60-75$

 

[CHICAGO TYPEWRITER]

What do you mean by "converted"?

 

[SuA]

the civilian variant of the UMP is the USC.
http://www.hkpro.com/usc.htm

as said above: going to cost ya a pretty penny to make the look anywhere near an UMP.

 

[CHICAGO TYPEWRITER]

Are the USC a limited time only thing?

 

[Iraq Ninja]

Converted to make is look like the UMP. I think the UMP was meant to replace the MP5 series. A buddy of mine who is a HK nut just got his back from the conversion, but he left the barrel long (no sbr). Nice weapon.

The USC comes is 2nd place as HK's most ugly weapon.

The SL8 wins hands down. My same friend has his converted to look like the G36.

 

[fatcat]

^ Lmao!

Its true, there ugly as hell but I have seen some nice conversions to G-36K's

Best part is the price for those ugly guns stock its $1,900 to $2,600 :lol: No thanks...

 

[P90wn3r]

You can't forget to mention that the G36 can't take a Cmag f/a dump without melting :lol:

It's quite hard to understand H&Ks business "plan". With half of the world's guns in the good ole US und A, you'd think they might want to give us a little bit better of a selection than some fugly ass poor excuse of their under-performing and over hyped "LE / M" variants.

 

[BreakerDave]

I think the UMP was meant to replace the MP5 series.

I believe the thought process behind the UMP series was to offer a subgun at a more affordable price point than the MP5, not to replace the MP5 series.

http://www.hkpro.com/ump.htm

I have fired one UMP chambered in .40 S&W and I preferred the MP5 to it.

Are the USC a limited time only thing?

If you look on the auction websites (i.e. gunbroker.com), you can normally find a few of them. -I just went to a gun show this past weekend and saw a used one, in good condition, for $1249. Also, the last CDNN catalog I saw has them listed (although they may be leftovers). -If you want one, they are out there.

ETA: CDNN catalog info

 

[Iraq Ninja]

I got to fire a SL8/G36 conversion and liked it. Nice trigger with a clean break. Not sure if that was a stock trigger or the gunsmith's doing. It did seem a bit awkward to handle, as if it was too tall and too thin.

 

[xxG3xx]

http://www.hdps.org/htm/5-3-1.htm

 

[ShipWreck]

My local Gander has an SL8 - but they want $2800 for the damn thing!

 

[SuA]

Are the USC a limited time only thing?

not afaik

I think the UMP was meant to replace the MP5 series.

I believe the thought process behind the UMP series was to offer a subgun at a more affordable price point than the MP5, not to replace the MP5 series.

yes & no. at first the UMP was marketed as a cheaper and just as reliable alternative. it was also more aimed at the .45ACP and .40S&W at first.

but now (and i suspect that this was the main strategy all along) HK is pushing it more and more as the replacement of the MP5 in 9mm. which is kinda understandable: the UMP is cheaper to produce, is less complicated to assemble and they can get a bigger margin of profit from the gun.

in the end, i must say the USC digusted me when i held it. i cant speak for the UMP though, but i'd wager the ergonomics of the MP5 were better (if you exclude the vertical frontgrip you can mount on the UMP).

and since i'll never own an MP5 or an UMP anyway, i'll say this too: the MP5 looked nicer!