I understand, and I am working on it. but my front grip requires drilling holes into the frame of the gun, I am trying to get one that works just as well but is a stand alone unit as a replacement forend. It looks like monolith arms may beat me to the punch but my design is much lower profile and I think there may still be a market for it if I can get it to work.bonebreak2000 said:Wow impressive mcguiver. I thought for sure those were SS. I see you conveniently avoided my post elsewhere. Seriously you should consider it I am dying for a front grip!!!