[Arizona CJ]

sure it would hit at 200 and even 300, like any other 5.56 if you know how to shoot a little...
put an optic on it, and probably even further...but, what's the EFFECTIVE range on this (I know it's not a sure thing you're taking anyone down at 300 yards with a normal 5.56 rifle...all day at 100 and I wouldn't stand in front of it at 200 yards)....but 300 that little ole bullet is starting to run out of steam...
so...with a bull-pup...wondering if it's same or what other shooters have found out.

I've never bothered to put anything better than an ACOG (4x32) on this as i don't view this gun as anything other than an ideal urban (in houses, etc) type of SDW given how easy it is to move around....but then again, I might just grab my PS90 indoors too....as I'd be less concerned with over-penetration I think with that round than 5.56 round punching through drywall...from what I've seen of taking my SCAR through a shoot-house at a gunfighting school with live ammo...

well, just curious....would love to know what you all think...
thanks!
CJ in AZ

 

[FNFlorida]

no different than an AR with a 16" barrel, bullpup model doesn't reduce the accuracy. Given that, if I would be expecting to engage something commonly past 250, Id pack something different. If its what I have, I'd feel confident 350-400yds with a good optic and no larger option.

 

[SONYtec]

No different than an AR15.

 

[SAVAGEJIM]

Current military training dictates that the 5.56 NATO has max effectiveness at 500 meters. This is with M4 rifles.
However, I remember successfully engaging and hitting targets at 600m and more when qualifying with the longer barreled M16 when that rifle was still in service.

For the Tuna, similar estimates of 500 m can be assumed because it fires the same caliber.
Depending on MV out of the Tuna, the Tuna probably could have a little longer max effective range than the M4 because of the additional 2" of barrel length.

 

[Arizona CJ]

thanks! I'd guess same, 5-600...but not sure I'd count on more than 300...but sometime I'd like to find a long range and try it out, that's for sure. hard to find long range access in AZ though

hey....why do you guys call it the Tuna? i can kinda see it, shape wise, looking like a tuna fish...but never thought of it like that...unless there is some other reason for nick name too?

 

[Arizona CJ]

thanks for the reply. appreciate it. will have to test that out sometime side-by-side with SCAR 16

 

[SAVAGEJIM]

thanks! I'd guess same, 5-600...but not sure I'd count on more than 300...but sometime I'd like to find a long range and try it out, that's for sure. hard to find long range access in AZ though

hey....why do you guys call it the Tuna? i can kinda see it, shape wise, looking like a tuna fish...but never thought of it like that...unless there is some other reason for nick name too?

LOL, its a nickname for what the FS2000 looks like with the hand guard shroud. See post #1 in this thread.
http://fnforum.net/forums/fn-fs2000-photo-section/559-definitive-fs2000-photo-thread.html

Some dislike the moniker, but I personally find it a term of endearment for the rifle

 

[Arizona CJ]

thanks for clarification on the TUNA nickname
I can see it, and have no problem with it either.
I do like how I see some of the others modified...especially one that had the desert camo design on it (had helmet and metal plates in picture too)...that looked awesome

thanks again Savage Jim!

CJ

 

[dougstump]

A few years ago I had the opportunity to fire out to 500 yards. With both the standard model FS2000 and the MSAR STG-556, both with the factory optic, and mixed brass 55 grain blasting grade reloads, shooting off the bench, I had no trouble hitting the man sized silhouette at 500 yards. Both rifles were zeroed at 100 yards, the aim point was the top of the head, and we could hear the pings. I was very impressed (that I could still see that far). I wonder how badly I scratched the paint….

 

[Arizona CJ]

Thanks Doug! What is the MSAR STG-556 you refd to? picture?
nice shooting! I could see hitting at 500 yards from bench rest....not sure why I thought a bullpup design would be less than SCAR output...given barrel is same or very close to same overall length...
appreciate it!
I can't believe you can SEE 500 yard impact...I can't see past 100, and can see dust come off target out to 300...but not clearly tell impact points without spotting scope/partner

 

[dougstump]

The STG-556 is a US made clone of the AUG. They had a lot of management problems and filed for bankruptcy, but I think they are back in business. A lot of people hate these rifles (most have never handled one), but I love mine. Only had one fail to fire, I think it was mad at me cause it hadn’t been out of the safe for a year.

We couldn’t see the hits at 500 yards, but we could hear them.

 

[Arizona CJ]

gotcha!
thanks! I feel better now that you don't have eagle eyes....

 

[Wabbi69]

"Maximum effective range" really depends on what you're trying to do with the rifle. In the context of what the FS2000 was designed to do, it means the maximum range that a soldier could engage and convince a human target to change their objectionable behavior. Note that the description does NOT mean KILL a human with one shot. The energy left in the bullet is not the only factor. Quite often, the optics or the ability to see the target and place rounds accurately are a limiting factor. In the case of the FS2000, running the same ammo with a comparable barrel length, it would be the same for any other 5.56 rifle in military use, currently about 500-600 meters.

With a magnified optic and good quality ammo, hitting man-sized silhouettes past 600 yards is quite do-able. I've seen a couple of guys go to 800 yards with heavy-for-caliber (77 grain) bullets on a still (no wind) day, albeit with the scope dialed to the max to compensate for drop. And I will have to admit that if I was hit with a 77 grain projectile traveling at a measly 300-400 FPS, I think I might suddenly remember that I need to pick up a card for our 20th wedding anniversary that's coming up in 2021.

For hunting, that changes the equation a whole lot. The goal in hunting is to humanely kill the animal as quickly as possible without having to track it too far. Another part of the equation is how much, if any, meat and/or pelt damage you're willing to tolerate. It would be somewhat dependent on the size and construction of the animal that you anticipate, and the angle or type of the shot (head/neck, side through the lungs, quartering, frontal). Once you get those hammered down, you pick the type of bullet that has the desired terminal performance characteristics for the job (deep penetrating solids on one end of the spectrum vs rapid and explosive fragmentation on the other end, and lots of points in between). The maximum effective range will be where the bullet has the minimum velocity to have the desired terminal performance. For 5.56/.223 against deer/hogs, I don' think I would take a shot past 200 yards.

Probably sounds clear as mud. I hope this helps.