Neither. Even though the Elcan has a narrow zoom range, the eye relief is still like a traditional scope. An eotech, or reflex sight are better suited to cqb.

 

I would opt for the heavier of the two. The heavier one will cause a deeper wound cavity when thrown at the adversary's head.

Nothing like an abrasion to take the bad guy out of the fight...

:mrgreen:

Seriously, either will suffice.


No, I don't own one, nor do I see one in my future. Personally, I'm looking at the 1-4 or 1-6 Leupold offerings coupled with the ADM DELTA mount for the carbines that don't currently sport MRDS units.

-SS

 

As you know CQB is room to room. No type of sight needed or used. If you cant lift and shoot good groups at 10 - 15 feet in a torso I think it means you need to spend more time behind the trigger. Now if you just want one for under 50 yards to make nice little groups, get the 6X one. You can use it out further, kinda more bang for your buck. sorry not trying to be a dick, just shootin from the hip. :?

 

Iron sights, both eyes open, put the front post center of mass, absolutely fastest way to acquire something room-to-room. If you want an optic for CQB, then I'd say the Leupold DeltaPoint, or the Trijicon RMR. I have one on my DSA TP9 SBR and its faster than swinging a glock 34 onto a silhouette. For CQB to short/medium range, the Eotechs and Aimpoints reign supreme.

Just remember that all the guys shooting 3-gun with 30mm toilet paper tube optics are shooting most courses of fire between 20-100 meters.

 

I was thinking the 1x might give a better representation because it doesn't have the extra .5 magnification??

 

I dont think you'd notice much advantage/disadvantage with the 1x vs the 1.5x trying to swing that thing around indoors. I dont want to poop on the Elcan but I don't think its good for CQB in any way, shape, or form.

The difference between theory and practice is actually running room to room as fast as you can trying to beat the Asian kid who looks like Rufio that just went before you.

 

:lol::-D Rufio, Rufio, RU-FI-OOOOOOOO

 

Is there any peice of glass that offers a single package of cqb and mid/long range?

 

EoTech and Aimpoint with 3X magnifier. Flip it to the side when not needed. If you need longer range use a 5X magnifier. You also have the ACOG ECOS line with MRDS on top. Expensive either way but options.

Or as mentioned above choose your flavor in scopes and mount RDS on side (offset).

 

I dont have any experience with it, but the Leupold HAMR looks promising and under-represented.

 

I have considered the Hamr but I couldn't seem to find out much detail about it. I think that the BDC on it is geared for 5.56 but I could be mistaken??

 

I don't have the best eyesight. It's not bad, but it sure ain't great. I'm also assuming you're working with a 17.

That said, with my 1.5-6x on my 17, when in 6x a sheet of 8.5x11 paper is pretty damned small at 200yds. On a bench I can only get ~2 MOA with 5 shots using a bench rest. Turning the red dot on the second weakest intensity helps a little (where it is red but not shiny/glowing like on the higher settings).

This thread is about CQB obviously - the Elcan has iron sights up top which you can either use or remove and replace with a Docter Optic mount and red dot. If you had to clear a room you'd probably want to use those instead of limiting your field of vision via either model of Elcan.

If you are asking about a 17, you have the ability to reach further and touch harder than with a 16 or other little girl caliber carbine. In my opinion you should maximize the utility of your tool with the higher magnification Elcan. I'll eventually beat 2 MOA consistently at 200yds with my 1.5-6x. Again my eyesight isn't the best, but I'm more like 3.5 MOA with a 4x scope at 200. The Geissele Super SCAR trigger helped me immensely too - I won't say what my 200yd results were with the stock trigger and a 4x scope.

Congrats on whatever you buy - these SCARs are so much damn fun!