[HK SD9 Tactical]

Since I've been handling a lot of trigger packs I've noticed 5 distinct types. I have pictures of all five types I'll have to post ASAP. I've never seen the all black one, so that would make a 6th type. I have a PS90 who's serial # indicates it is one of the first thousand, and it's not black. Are black ones limited to the first couple hundred units? Does anyone on here have a black one?

This is mine from my first purchase in 2007. It is black but it looks like the sear is very dark green.

 

[HK SD9 Tactical]

That would be a Gen 1. :biggrin:

Got mine in 2006 and it came with a Gen 2.

I bought my first one "used" but it had never been fired. Ser # is FN0315XX.

Yup, so now I have a Gen I and a Gen II from MWGW. Still need a Gen III or IV so if I have to send in the firearm to FN for service, I can swap out my Gen I or II pack to make sure it does not get "replaced" by them.

 

[HK SD9 Tactical]

I am confused as hell, I have a new just manufactured L.E. PS90 Standard. The trigger pack appears to be a Gen 3. The auto sear is black. From the posted pictures it appears that the parts in a Gen 2 and Gen 3 are identical except for color.

Am I correct?

If I'm correct, what is the rough "blow it out the door" value of this pack?

The Gen III hammer has the engagement "notch" for the auto sear cut higher on it. However, I can not say with certainty that all GEN III packs have the same hammer configuration.

And $75 is the going price for ALL hammer packs, however some people will pay over $1000 for a Gen I or II pack.

 

[HK SD9 Tactical]

Whats the metal tab part in the back of the trigger packs. All the pics talk and point out everything else. What function does it have?

Already identified. It is the drop safety. If you drop the firearm on it's muzzle, the drop safety kicks in (using the force of impact to propell it forward) and it locks so that the hammer will not be released.

If you remove and examine the hammer pack, you can easily move the safety sear forward and see how it will not allow the hammer to fall.

 

[HK SD9 Tactical]

This is a "sticky" thread about the types of packs, not a thread about sticky packs. :-D

And here I thought I was missing something and was thinking of using Maple Syrup as a lubricant to make my pack sticky.:th_faint:

 

[HK SD9 Tactical]

I'm new to FN's, and maybe I should just keep my mouth shut, but I can NOT understand what difference it makes which gen you have if they all have the same trigger feel and you aren't an SOT? I recently bought my PS90 from a member here (hasn't arrived yet), and I would not have paid a single dime more or less if it had some other trigger pack in it. It made no difference to me on my decision to buy it.

That is by all means your option.

All packs operate the same way.

Personally, I think it is the color of the packs. They tell me that my all black pack is worth so much more than a gray one. Seems strange to me that just a color difference is worth so much money, but it is America so I just toss it off to capitalism.

 

[HK SD9 Tactical]

Thanks for the quick reply back to me! I am new to the FN world and trying to learn the differences between the different generations of triggers. How different is the Gen 1 pack then the gen 2 I have pictured above? It seems to me people are selling the gen 1 packs for a lot more then the gen 2 trigger packs?

Color only. I have both a Gen 1 and Gen 2 pack, They are worth the same, about $75.00.

Some people will pay more for the packs with the forward sear, which is of no benefit to the civilian end user under current federal and state laws, except as a redundant safety feature.

 

[HK SD9 Tactical]

The Gen 3 & 4 packs are near worthless unless you have a firearm to put them into.

Last year the last batch of Gen 2 sold for $75.00 each and if you were lucky enough to get on the band wagon, you made out well because they are considered "collectors" items, as are the Gen 1.

The Gen 4 pack is worth only what a person will pay for it as there is nothing of value to a collector except as a spare pack.

The Gen 3 pack has a modified hammer. Any modifications to the modified hammer to engage the forward sear will probably result in the hammer fracturing at some future time resulting in a useless pack as FN will not replace the pack or the hammer because it was "modified". Welcome to paperweight city until you can get a spare pack.

So, as "collector" items as they are called, the Gen 1 & 2 command a respectable sum if you are willing to pay for them, but only if you are willing to pay for them. The functionality of a Gen 1 through Gen 4 packs are the SAME in respect to the PS90 as a semi-automatic fire firearm.

The Gen 3 is worth what the going FN price is right now which is around $60 to $75 ($60 is what I paid FN for my FS2K spare pack and $75 is what I paid for my Gen 2 pack from MGW). So around $75 is reasonable, maybe a little higher because they are scarce right now, but more packs will be forthcoming in future months as spares.

The Gen 4 pack is worth what you paid for it. This is the least desirable pack of the four. In your case, you paid what the going market value was at that time for a part that a vendor had in stock and was willing to sell to you. Their costs may have increased recently.

Also, a word of advice. While I know of no Firearm Technology Branch (FTB) letter indicating what the "classification" of the forward sear is, or if such a letter even exist, I would not sell it individually as it would probably be dimly viewed upon by the ATF and may even be considered a violation of the GCA and NFA, although it IS just a part like the auto sear of a FCG of an M16. The sear is not illegal to own. What you own along with the sear is what is illegal.



I am also going to merge this thread with the Hammer Pack Sticky as that is where this discussion belongs.

 

[HK SD9 Tactical]

Soooo, if I want an extra pack ON HAND, can I just ship the rifle, minus the pack, back to FN and have them install a new pack? I don't want to be stuck at the mercy of the OEM as to when and for how much it costs to get my rifle going again....

FN WILL NOT service the rifle unless it is complete. So no, that will not work. If you want an extra hammer pack, you can call the parts department for one, they cost about $60 and shipping for the FS2K. For the PS90, they are alot harder to find and it has been almost 15 months since I have seen one available from retailers. You can always scour GB or the for sale section as they come up now and then. Expect to pay for them though.

 

[HK SD9 Tactical]

Every time I try to post up pics of my trigger pack to ask for you guys to help Id. what gen it is, when I click the "manage attachments" is does nothing. What gives?

When you make a reply, on the upper side of the reply window, towards the right, next to the earth with the red X through it, there is what appears to be a window pane. This is if you have the option of WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) enabled in your preferences. Click on the pane and it will ask you to either upload the picture from your computer or to provide a URL for the picture. Upload is easier, faster, and better because the server will save the picture so that you can use it multiple times without uploading each time.

 

[HK SD9 Tactical]

if somebody gets their hands on a P90 trigger pack, it would be plug and play on the PS90 right? or do other components have to be changed as well?

A P90 trigger pack will not operate in a PS90.

And we do not discuss what has to be done to make any semi auto firearm into a full auto firearm. This would be a violation of the rules and subject the poster to being banned.

 

[HK SD9 Tactical]

Thanks, I'm sure they all do hit hard but just can not imagine that FNH would retool/redesign the trigger for no reason nor function. Gen 3 trigger has a notched area proximal to the auto sear and looks like it acts as a stop against the auto sear once it's activated but why. They say curiosity killed the cat :spank:

The cut in the Gen 3 hammer is higher on the hammer than that of previous generation packs. This defeats the purpose of the forward sear while also allowing the forward sear to act as a redundant safety sear. The hammer packs really do not need this forward sear and its inclusion in the hammer packs has befuddled many of us for many years.

It was noted that someone re-cut the hammer on the Gen 3 pack to bypass this defeat of the forward sear so the Gen 4 packs had the forward sear removed. Re-cutting the hammer in the Gen 3 packs will result in a structurally deficient hammer that will ultimately fail and can not be replace either through warranty or parts availability and will require the purchase of a new hammer pack which I suspect will be a Gen 5 pack which will be re-designed to defeat all attempts to modify the hammer packs in any way. Only time and release of the backordered hammer packs will solve this riddle. Why else have hammer packs for the PS90 not been available for almost 1 and 1/2 years?

It may be construed as constructive intent at the least under the NFA in just cutting the notch in the hammer so that the forward sear operates as an auto sear, or the "making of a machine gun" at the other end of the spectrum. Much like simply marking the lower of an AR15 lower (you do not need to drill it, just mark it) for a GIAS placement is construed as the "making of a machine gun" under the interpretation of the NFA.

This is all redundant conversation as ALL HAMMER PACKS OPERATE AS THEY SHOULD. You pull the trigger and the firearm goes BANG. ONCE. PERIOD.

 

[HK SD9 Tactical]

I don't know, maybe someone swapped out the good hammer for one that's not so good.

I would agree with your assessment on this. It looks to me like it is a Gen 1 body with an early Gen 3 hammer.

 

[HK SD9 Tactical]

I think you nailed it.

 

[HK SD9 Tactical]

FYI, Midwest Gun Works has packs in stock as of a few minutes ago.

They got under 100 in and there were over 500 on the waiting list so they sold out as soon as they got them.

He could not tell me what Gen they were but thinks they were Gen 4 packs.

 

[HK SD9 Tactical]

Is there any significance to the Green Dot that appears on some hammer (trigger) pack bodies adjacent to the auto sear? See Photo. I see it on some packs, but it is absent on others.
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Lots of speculation but nothing definitive.

 

[HK SD9 Tactical]

Is it possible to get pictures detailing the differences between them?

Look on page 1.

 

[HK SD9 Tactical]

That was not my question or intent--- would the orange hammer "pre-date" the black hammer???

Tony

From what I have seen, yes. However, my understandings is that the internals are the same so the hammer color is nothing of importance except in dating the Hammer Pack. Unless the sear is different, it is still a SA pack.

 

[HK SD9 Tactical]

::FF:: I am still confused??

HK SD9, arn't earlier hammer packs more Desirable, Collectable, Constructed a little differently??

You specifically asked why mine was rare or ?? whatever word was used, I just saw a gen 1 pack hit ~$900 this week so they must be special??

All hammer packs are worth about $48 or so. People pay more for a certain HP either a Gen 1 or Gen 2 because they have the correct hammer and the auto sear. The Gen 3 has the auto sear but the hammer is notched higher than on the Gen 1 or 2 and thus this make the auto sear all but useless except as a secondary safety device to ensure that the hammer will not fall until the firearm is in battery. The Gen 4 packs have the correct hammer, but is missing the auto sear. Orange hammer, black hammer, grey hammer does not mean anything. It is the proper hammer and sear combo that is highly sought after but no matter which you have, the firearm will still be a SA firearm. Conversion to a FA firearm is illegal for all post 86 civilian firearms at this time unless you are a FFL holder that pays the stamp to deal with FA firearms.

Now that an after market hammer and auto sear are available for the hammer packs, all hammer packs can be converted into a Gen 1 or Gen 2 pack. Why the hell someone would pay $900 for a hammer pack is beyond me unless they really want one with a orange hammer or some other special thing like a green dot or a green sear or whatever. Even with the auto sear and the proper notched hammer, it will still only fire in the SA mode unless further modifications are made. This will garner you a butt pounding suite at Club Fed and cost you $250K as well as your loss of your second amendment rights to keep and bear firearms.

I have a Gen 1 a Gen 2 and a Gen 3 pack and they all work the same essentially.

People seek out the easiest way to convert a SA to FA firearm in case of a government collapse or zombie apocalypse, neither of which will happen in short order (hopefully).

So for the gazillionth time, all hammer packs fire as they should, one pull of the trigger one shot, they are all worth about $48 each or thereabouts, and any attempt to modify any firearm or hammer pack (beyond factory specs) into a FA firearm is illegal and the Feds will eat your lunch and crap in your lunch box if you are stupid enough to try to obtain a FA firearm unless you do it legally, and that means at a cost of anywhere between $15K and $50K at this time. If you want to play with the FA club, buy one legally or pay the piper....Yes, it sucks that what should cost under $100 bucks costs $25K or more but it is the law. And you can thank Ronald Reagan for this.

 

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That is BS, Purists want the real thing, and they will pay top dollar for it weather FN, HK, or ?? That small shelf makes the pack rare and valuable, you know exactly why as do I.

Do not try and say they are worth $48 because you and I know better!!! What your motivation is or why you suddenly want to act like a Gen 3 or 4 can be converted legally by a person to a Gen 1 when the SEAR is blind pinned??? Are you in any way involved with the making of those parts or profiting from them in any way?? Who is the company making them??

Something is up the way you jumped all over my ad for my trigger pack.. All I know is I just saw trigger packs get bid up to $1k which means they are still as rare and as collectable as ever if not even more..

OK J, here is the deal. The sear that you are talking about that is pinned is the same design IN ALL SA HAMMER PACKS. You obviously do not understand the function of the parts in the hammer packs. Go back to the drawing board and figure out what does what and you will see what does what and understand just how misinformed you are in your assumptions. If you think that the Gen 1 and Gen 2 packs have any 'special features' other than what is described in this thread, then go ahead and waste your money on a Gen 1 pack and rue the day that the music died.